How the Russians can count that I don't know as it was a totally seperate war, fought and concluded between France and Austria 4 years before the Netherlands conflict began
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Yes it would get confusing. If all the coalition wanted to force a general peace in a situation like that, then by definition the 3 prov rule would come into play. As it was though both Austria and Venice were only intent on using the general situation for personal gain and clearly not out to really help the NetherlandsOriginally posted by Aldo
Finally some recognition (except from my allies of course)!
Doesn't the 3 province rule get pretty unclear when nations declares war on their own like they did last session? If Austria and Venice would have stayed in the war they could only have had demanded 3 provinces together in a peace for all involved nations (including the alliance and Portugal)?
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I pumped over 650 ducats into Denmark too at the start of that war - and how do they repay me?Originally posted by kurtbrian
it was realy mean to have sub as sweden.
Esp, as I had already subbed for denmark before in the game and in the previous session as england, where I pumped Denmark full of cash so it wouldn't be defeated by Sweden...
Damn you, Wyvern.
Originally posted by kurtbrian
By not taking Paris?
Paris fall to 40k Danes?
Very optimistic Danes it would appear. They can't even take Stockholm!
Hmmm. Maybe it was unwise to put soo much light on Danish actions. Better to do my business in the shady background.
Now on to other matters. How about discussing something else?
Now on to other matters. How about discussing something else?
Originally posted by Aldo
Hmmm. Maybe it was unwise to put soo much light on Danish actions. Better to do my business in the shady background.
Now on to other matters. How about discussing something else?
I can't imagine Netherlands and England will appreciate knowing the Danes were bought off.
I can't imagine anyone would stoop so low...
To let yourself be bribed!
Yeah. France begged and prayed I wouldn't take Paris. Sometimes money can do anything. The Tivoli Guards spared Paris this time.
ah yes.. trying to pretend you're the poor guy?
poor tiny Holland gets jumped upon by two of the largest countries in Europe, and the AGGRESSORS are the VICTIMS ???
also this seems to suggest that IF Austria and Venice had not attacked (and thus not gain anything) you would have WP'ed
Let's say I'm still willing to consider that, despite your actions
The 3 province rule really needs to be inspected regarding these kinds of actions.
Austria: "Separate" war, 2 provinces
Venice: "Separate" war, 2 provinces
Portugal: Joined England/Holland and managed to tie up the majority of the spanish army with the help of venetian/english/danish relief armies. Thus when we win, I will have no way of forcing him to give back the 2 provinces concerned in the deal we made a couple of sessions back which he subsequently broke.
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with the current system, and it will REALLY need reworking for Machiavelli 3.
Austria: "Separate" war, 2 provinces
Venice: "Separate" war, 2 provinces
Portugal: Joined England/Holland and managed to tie up the majority of the spanish army with the help of venetian/english/danish relief armies. Thus when we win, I will have no way of forcing him to give back the 2 provinces concerned in the deal we made a couple of sessions back which he subsequently broke.
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with the current system, and it will REALLY need reworking for Machiavelli 3.
Declare war on Venice later? And then declare war on the other alliance? And take back both gains in 'separate' wars?
Without the entire thing triggering again because we're picking off our neighbours "one after the other"?
ofcourse you can get them back.. but that also means you won't be gaining much from others
Originally posted by ForzaA
ofcourse you can get them back.. but that also means you won't be gaining much from others
Yes, but the whole point is Barnius JOINED your alliance in order to avoid this. Pretty gamey move and in the end I think this is an exploit of the rules.