Machiavelli II: The Rebirth

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Aldo
OOC: This is the second time (last? ) you have overlooked the Danish involvement in the Great War.

I have not overlooked it, I just did not consider that parts of it I did watch to be worthy of mention, as I mainly saw Danish soldiers stationed in England, not fighting the French and Spanish.

While it is possible that Denmark conducted a brilliant campaign in the colonies, which it could not watch due to a lack of maps, I consider it unlikely.

In other words, if you want to be noticed in dispatches, play a noticable part.

 

[unmerged(15723)]

Originally posted by Damocles
Considering the superb Danish economy, I hardly saw them involved in the war at all. Maybe Denmark should just annex the rest of Sweden. LOL

Denmark lost one sixth of their income during the war and is still "up there" inflationwise. Peace is what Denmark and its people wants (even with Poland ). Most profitable!

 

[Damocles]

Seeing Barnius' economy graphs have become almost as fun as Slargos' hosting. I can't wait to see them.

BTW,

Its interesting how during a war, most people's economy goes down, while mine goes up. I think its because I keep sending merchants and pillaging, while most people stay on the defensive and forget everything else.

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Aldo
Denmark lost one sixth of their income during the war and is still "up there" inflationwise. Peace is what Denmark and its people wants (even with Poland ). Most profitable!

I'm still impresed how great Denmark has been doing in this game.

A strong Russia really is a good thing for Denmark.

 

[unmerged(15723)]

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
... I mainly saw Danish soldiers stationed in England, not fighting the French and Spanish.

Then you just didn't look careful enough. When Holland was in most dire straits there were constantly 20 to 45k Danish troops protecting Zeeland or striking at Flandern (Holland did a splendid job here - after my leader died I had to follow the Dutch troop movements to be able to stand the French numbers and get benefit from the William III-characters skills).

Some troops were at times temporarily stationed in England, this while more was fetched in Denmark to decrease attrition and due to the fact that I couldn't use my galley part of the fleet in the Channel and Biscaya (meaning too few ships to be able to have two fleets). Danish troops also operated in Portugal, at one time assisting the brilliant British general Marlborough (pretty successful fellow last session ).

Damocles:
My economy went down due to the fact that my stability fell like a stone (decreasing merchant effectivity) and my RR is pretty high. Tried to trade when at stab -3 but that was purely a waste of money.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by kurtbrian

A strong Russia really is a good thing for Denmark.

[Barnius]
Russia is POOR and WEAK
[/Barnius]

And I still wonder why Denmark has failed to retake Skåne... Lack of a Swedish player or the fact that Sweden is still pretty damn strong for its size?

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Aldo
Then you just didn't look careful enough. When Holland was in most dire straits there were constantly 20 to 45k Danish <SNIP>

25-40K :rofl:

Sorry, but the Tsar has difficulty recognizing Tivoli Guard sized contributions as a significant effort, especially 150 years before Tivoli is built. Nevertheless, if your allies are well pleased, well done. Just don't expect anybody else to notice.

 

[Damocles]

LOL.

Really Aldo.

25-45k is how many pissboys are employed in the Tsar's palace. Considering the mammoth armies that Russia, Ottoman and Austria throw around, Poland can only laugh. Afterall, Poland brought 200k to bear at once against Austria, and that was a minor struggle.

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
[Barnius]
Russia is POOR and WEAK
[/Barnius]

And I still wonder why Denmark has failed to retake Skåne... Lack of a Swedish player or the fact that Sweden is still pretty damn strong for its size?

Hey!

There was a pretty strong swedish player at least for the beginning of the session...

ok, I'm not strong but at least Sweden didn't lose the war...

As for Russia being weak.....




you are about as weak as Spain was in Mach I

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by kurtbrian

you are about as weak as Spain was in Mach I

Not true. There are, currently, three nations in the world of Machiavelli capable of overrunning Russia in a 1:1 were I in charge of them. Additionally Russia suffers from heavy inflation and has lower income than the top four or five nations.

Such a description hardly fits the tech-leading and first among unequals in income Spain of Machiavelli 1.

 

[unmerged(15723)]

Originally posted by kurtbrian
I'm still impresed how great Denmark has been doing in this game.

A strong Russia really is a good thing for Denmark.

Never ask KB to sub as Sweden again in MachII. I noticed how painful it was for him to order assaults and attacks on Danish fortresses and armies. We have pretty nationalistic fellow here (in a most charming and positive way).

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
And I still wonder why Denmark has failed to retake Skåne... Lack of a Swedish player or the fact that Sweden is still pretty damn strong for its size?

or that we have defensive peaceloving undaring Danish player? And of course because Denmark is poor and weak. It is!

And Peter, you didn't see them Tivoli Guards in action. With brutal efficiancy they dismisses French drunkards and pickpockets from Zeeland and Flandern. In Tago they landed and all the Spanish mischievous kids were properly taken care of. Soon the carousels and the Ferris wheel will be running smoothly again.

Anyway, any effort should be put in relation to the resources availiable. We are a tiny nation you know (MP ~22). And we were at war longer than any other nation last session.

I rest my case.

 

[Damocles]

Originally posted by Aldo


or that we have defensive peaceloving undaring Danish player?

A little of both?

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Aldo
Anyway, any effort should be put in relation to the resources availiable. We are a tiny nation you know (MP ~22). And we were at war longer than any other nation last session.

With all due respects, Aldo, your miserably low army support limit would appear to be a conscious choice on your side to stay weak. You have so few manufactories, that just four years of coining money would buy you four weapons manufactories and increase your support limit by 50% from ~40 to ~60 (and significantly increase your overall income as well)

 

[Wyvern]

Hi Peter,

Yep the Austrian cores are for the Spanish succession, I just figured we basically had that under the current situation in game and the Spanish event will fire soon anyway. We can wait another session though, it's possible after all that Spain might choose differently than currently would seem to be the case .

 

[TheArchduke]

Originally posted by Aldo
Never ask KB to sub as Sweden again in MachII. I noticed how painful it was for him to order assaults and attacks on Danish fortresses and armies. We have pretty nationalistic fellow here (in a most charming and positive way).

People sometimes know how to take advantage of my feelings towards Austria in some games.

 

[Wyvern]

Aldo - We saw a few Danish forces in Zeeland - England was the most bold though most notably liberating the first siege of Flandern mere days before a 100k relief force could get there. Seriously, the allies mounted a very good defense of the Netherlands though we were still rampaging through it at will till Prinze Eugene showed up .

Thoughts on navies - 100 french ships versus 300+ opposition navy? French fleet very wisely stayed in port .

Peter's analysis on Dutch situation - spot on!

Austria - tactical gain but strategic blunder. If I were on Dutch/English/Portuguese side I'd be mightily pissed off!

France/Spain down 4 provinces from this war due to opportunistic coalition forces - now it's time to get *something* back from the Dutch alliance following their coalition members betrayal.

 

[Damocles]

Originally posted by Wyvern
Hi Peter,

Yep the Austrian cores are for the Spanish succession, I just figured we basically had that under the current situation in game and the Spanish event will fire soon anyway. We can wait another session though, it's possible after all that Spain might choose differently than currently would seem to be the case .

Gary,

Please don't forget to add in cot knowledge for Poland. Spain agreed to reveal all of it's american cots to Poland to let them trade in (since only Poland valiantly stood beside France and Spain when the rest of the world jumped them). And in 1700, he will fully trade maps with me. (Great, now I gott bring my capital to mighty.) He also promised 4000 ducats, but I think I'll get that in game, if he dosen't have it in his treasurey. I had you confirm all of this as well.

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Wyvern

Thoughts on navies - 100 french ships versus 300+ opposition navy? French fleet very wisely stayed in port .

In a minimal fortress province. That the opposition didn't even spare a couple of thousand men to assault, thus forcing the French fleet to flee port into the waiting arms of the combined navies. *Sigh*

France/Spain down 4 provinces from this war due to opportunistic coalition forces - now it's time to get *something* back from the Dutch alliance following their coalition members betrayal.

More like 1 down, not 4, or are you forgetting the three provinces you stripped of Austria as a prelude to the invasion of the Netherlands?

 

[kurtbrian]

it was realy mean to have sub as sweden.

Esp, as I had already subbed for denmark before in the game and in the previous session as england, where I pumped Denmark full of cash so it wouldn't be defeated by Sweden...

Damn you, Wyvern.

In was really torn between trying to win the war nad just letting Denmark of the hook.

Luckily my lack of war skills helped me, so I didn't have to rape denmark...

 

[unmerged(15723)]

Originally posted by Wyvern
Aldo - We saw a few Danish forces in Zeeland

Finally some recognition (except from my allies of course)!

Doesn't the 3 province rule get pretty unclear when nations declares war on their own like they did last session? If Austria and Venice would have stayed in the war they could only have had demanded 3 provinces together in a peace for all involved nations (including the alliance and Portugal)?