Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
I thought the Corsica/Sardinia thingy had been dropped, as BiB didn't mention it in the summary post to my questions on what editing was being done?
I'll certainly agree that it does not appear to make much sense historically. If Spain were ceding Italian provinces, it ought to cede them to the rightful kingdom of Austria-Italia [which would be able to pay for them], rather than the Republic of Venice
If giving/selling provinces is legal, I would like to have some guidelines on when and where.
Balancing between east and west.... Venice became an Austrian vassal to defend itself against the unprovoked attack of the Ottoman Sultan. How would it be more balancing for Venice to have been raped by the Turk? Given that the vassalage was accepted under such circumstances, how can you possibly consider it to be buying a vassal?
On the other hand, if the war is supposed to not have taken place, then it would only be fair to delete that vassalage from the save file and let the new permanent Venetian player decide if he is interested in such Austro-Italian protection. Of course, under such circumstances, he should likely also have Bragadin edited in, as he would not have been slaughtered by the Turk...yet. Bragadin lives to 1585 and I have complete faith that if the war is edited out, he will be killed for the second time by the Turk before that date
My sincere compliments to your objectivity and role-playing!
I agree with you completely. You said it perfectly, it should be edited like there was no war.
I would use this opportunity to advice new Venetian player to think twice, in fact to think as many times as needed
, until he finally conclude that alliance with his eastern neighbor is far more better than with Habsburgs. I mean VASSAL??!! Surely you don’t want to start like that. What is next?I would stick to Ottomans. However sweet talking diplomat Peter can be, and however scary one BiB can be, you surely can have a better position than Austrian vassal. I mean, apart form Pope, who should concentrate on spiritual matters, Venice is currently THE ONLY country which can rightfully claim the title of King of Italy. Only if Austrians release Genoa, Modena, Milan, Mantua and Tuscany as independent countries will you have some competition.
I repeat, Venice should be recognized throughout the civilized world as the only legitimate ruler of Italian culture land
. Austria-Italia? Don’t be silly! Duke of Austria is the only legitimate title Austrians have, everything else is just extortion and dirty diplomacy! If you are freedom loving people, regardless of where you are, Italy or Germany, regardless of the religion, Catholic or Protestant, you will oppose Habsburg tyranny and find a way to counter them. Sure, it could be dangerous, believe me, Dutch people are experiencing it on their own skin, but everything is better than to live as Habsburg slaves. And Venice is in far metter position than Dutch rebels, that don’t even have a country yet! I agree, Ottoman Empire acted a bit foolishly when she attacked Venice. But now we hear that was only a bad dream, that there actually was no war! So start negotiating again from the beginning.
I am sure Ottoman Empire will be most happy to receive Venetian diplomats and will offer them much better agreement than Habsburgs. Hell, how can it be worse than Venice, the only legitimate ruler of Italy, being forced to become VASSAL of some fictitious Austria-Italia, and to FORMALLY RENOUNCE HER CLAIMS ON ITALY ???!!!
