In all fairness BiB, roleplaying a close, loving family between Spain and Austria is as believable as Jesus being born in Toledo. But I suppose, it is all the same thing when you get right down to it.
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I still don't think Spain's income was greater then France, Austria and OE combined. During Suleyman's rule, the Ottoman Empire was supposed to be the wealthiest nation in Europe. (Possible competition from China)
Regardless of that deal and how it worked out it clearly shows the silliness of map trading and hence why it is fobidden from now on
All this talk about limited wars, mercs limits and so on while this little action has far more devastating effects. I mean, u use very much examples close to history but u would actually want to allow this?
But just a tad more believable than the purely coincidental cooperation France and teh OE have so far always exhibited
If I want to give maps to allies, I should be able to. If you can bribe with giving provinces to new players between sessions, (even provinces you down't own), I should be able to with maps. Especially if it actually roleplayed out. You're just scared of me giving the maps to the protestants and you having your trade income dropping from 100ish to 80ish or something.
What cooperation? France and OE have been purely in their own interests. I made peace with Hungary regardless of France still being at war with Spain and Austria. Do you think I would have peaced out with the AI if I was cooperating with France?
I've already admitted that my joining the other war was a stupid mistake based on Suleyman's egotistical desire to play Aribiter of Europe.
I've already admitted that my joining the other war was a stupid mistake based on Suleyman's egotistical desire to play Aribiter of Europe.
And the English King in 1419 got most of his income from one little province in France. Just one of many things the game can't simulate either in a certain fashion but gets quite right in the bigger picture.
Considering I am giving all my maps myself to the nation with the highest TE and am on purpose nerfing my own TE by going CRC u once again look silly when u claim I am only doing this for my own benefit
Bribing nations with islands doesn't have teh devastating effects map trading has, which is teh reason why it is forbidden. IF u want to bribe someone use money, islands whatever.
I've always thought that one of the ways to correct the evil of overpowered godlike Spain was having the other nations who don't get as many explorers...(If a nation explored the same area with 5 different people, only give them one fucking explorer please so the others don't end up in Bangkok instead of Havana) get access to those other cots as well.
Letting one or two nations have ahistorical access to a 100 ducats of trade income all to themselves for a 100 years is just sooooooooo wrong.
Great, so Spain and Austria can't work together purely in their own interest? U can bet that if we didn't both benefit from it we wouldn't be doing it. But after having been attacked by France and the OE together twice u really provide so much incentive to do so.
France, Portugal, England (and Holland in a certain way, they won't have to but could anyway) managed to explore just fine too. And those are the nations that should be there. Not Austria, Sweden or the Pope. Not anyone who flaps some 100 ducat bills once to someone with maps.
Bibby,
I don't think that you only do things for self benefit. I think there is a vein of honest goodness in most of your decisions. Well, at least a majority of them. But they also benefit you as well.
For example. If you didn't release Holland, you'd deal with terrible revolt risks until 1640. By releasing Holland, you instantly end all of your revolt risks at the cost of a single province. Holland. Geldre and Friesland didn't belong to you, and you're getting Zeeland back. Furthermore, they're catholic and a vassal and William of Orange is forcibly killed. Somehow, I think that you still think you won't have any problem from the Dutch anyway because of your commanding position over them. Pretending to go the moral high road and deflecting ire from the Dutch lobby while instantly ending a 60 year pain in the ass must not be too much of a bitter pill to swallow.
Especially if you prevent other nations from getting maps, and not allow the Dutch to trade in the new world. Methinks you grossly exaggerate the effect it will have on your trade income.
I don't think that you only do things for self benefit. I think there is a vein of honest goodness in most of your decisions. Well, at least a majority of them. But they also benefit you as well.
For example. If you didn't release Holland, you'd deal with terrible revolt risks until 1640. By releasing Holland, you instantly end all of your revolt risks at the cost of a single province. Holland. Geldre and Friesland didn't belong to you, and you're getting Zeeland back. Furthermore, they're catholic and a vassal and William of Orange is forcibly killed. Somehow, I think that you still think you won't have any problem from the Dutch anyway because of your commanding position over them. Pretending to go the moral high road and deflecting ire from the Dutch lobby while instantly ending a 60 year pain in the ass must not be too much of a bitter pill to swallow.
Especially if you prevent other nations from getting maps, and not allow the Dutch to trade in the new world. Methinks you grossly exaggerate the effect it will have on your trade income.
You left out the Ottoman Empire via the incredibly profitable overland trade routes, who were there before all you bastards. Only as more European merchants flooded the markets and naval travel became so much more dominant and the OE so much more corrupt did their overland trade routes dry up. The way it is now, thanks to the stupid TI system, the Ottomans don't know a 1/3rd of the land they were well aware of and entrenched in (since basically, everyone gets copy and pasted the same known provinces with few exceptions), and the Portugese and Spanish are setting up monopolies that took centuries to form within a month of passing by the coast of China.
Damo your no alliance idea does not fly the minors (who are ridiculously underpowered already) would be ruined they need the alliance
Secondly I dont know what history books you read but according to David Hume any time France went into Italy Austria Spain and England activated their alliance.
Thirdly if the Turks want a cb against Spain they can keep nibbling of Mediterean lands and I'm sure they will find themselves in a war quite quickly. If taking Mecca does not work I don't no what will (edit in -6 stab and give hime a cb on Spain to simulate the the frenzy of an ignorant mob of religous fanatics ripping the sultan to shreads for letting mecca fall and then embarking on a crusade to get it back)
Fourthly History is a strange subject you can just about justify anything by ommiting stuff, stop it!
Fifth Don't try to justify gamey actions just put your hand up and say fair enough what matters is the game
Secondly I dont know what history books you read but according to David Hume any time France went into Italy Austria Spain and England activated their alliance.
Thirdly if the Turks want a cb against Spain they can keep nibbling of Mediterean lands and I'm sure they will find themselves in a war quite quickly. If taking Mecca does not work I don't no what will (edit in -6 stab and give hime a cb on Spain to simulate the the frenzy of an ignorant mob of religous fanatics ripping the sultan to shreads for letting mecca fall and then embarking on a crusade to get it back)
Fourthly History is a strange subject you can just about justify anything by ommiting stuff, stop it!
Fifth Don't try to justify gamey actions just put your hand up and say fair enough what matters is the game
DAmmit!
what is it you have against Denmark! You continue to make rules that makes it even more difficult for the poor litle northeuropean nation!!
Actually, in one of my more rambling paragraphs, I did mention that one of the exceptions of the Habsburg cooperation was against France's expansionistic ambitions. But I don't blame you if you've skimmed most of them.
Bollox, I am perfectly capable of making decisions as GM regardless of my nation's position
Any decision will influence certain nations in a positive way and others in a negative one but that's not what I base my decisions on.The Holland decision has nothing to do with this either, I make that one as the Spanish player, not GM. U bet that I will try very much to get what is best for my country, taken in consideration the RPG line I have set myself evidently, and that's exactly what I should be doing.
U make it sound like I am letting them free for my own good. I cann tell that just crushing some rebels (it is PISSEASY, this is a situation where the new rebel rules do not work at all) suits me just a tad better than having a nation that will cut my income severely. I know for a fact that teh Dutch will be a major headache for me for as long as they exist.
Also.
I don't HAVE any CB against Med lands. Except for the worthless sell-out Venice. But if I attack Venice, it gives Spain and Austria casus belli to fight me. Along with of course Venice, when all I want to fight is BiB over Mecca.
I don't HAVE any CB against Med lands. Except for the worthless sell-out Venice. But if I attack Venice, it gives Spain and Austria casus belli to fight me. Along with of course Venice, when all I want to fight is BiB over Mecca.
And England who used every single continental war the last millenium to further their aims without any stab loss?
BiB,
I was referring mostly to your actions as Spain. And also, claiming that attacking Mecca was actually a ploy to let the Dutch earn their freedom is still particularly close to my heart.
I was referring mostly to your actions as Spain. And also, claiming that attacking Mecca was actually a ploy to let the Dutch earn their freedom is still particularly close to my heart.