Machiavelli : Europe Arising

[Slargos]

While we're talking trash...

Duke! Change your avatar back to the old one!

I keep missing your posts because that new blue one just melts into the background and my brain filters them out as being made by "noob without avatar"

 

[Smirfy]

Originally posted by TheArchduke
Anyone else having objections, death sentences or something else?

yes

 

[Smirfy]

Originally posted by BiB
I'm not averse to swapping magyar and slovak for italian in this game for balance reasons.

sorry i'll qualify that, I object this has been plucked from thin air

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Smirfy
sorry i'll qualify that, I object this has been plucked from thin air

Inderdeed it has been. But given the unique situation of this game it rapidly became a very good idea, that would benefit the longterm future of the game quite a bit

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by BiB
Inderdeed it has been. But given the unique situation of this game it rapidly became a very good idea, that would benefit the longterm future of the game quite a bit

does that mean that If I grap myself a couple of extra german provinces that I get german culture too?

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by kurtbrian
does that mean that If I grap myself a couple of extra german provinces that I get german culture too?

Yes, just after I get Arabic and u give up Scandinavian

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by BiB
Yes, just after I get Arabic and u give up Scandinavian

Hmmmm....no!

 

[Smirfy]

Originally posted by BiB
. But given the unique situation of this game it rapidly became a very good idea, that would benefit the longterm future of the game quite a bit

I do not see how, any number of arguements could be put forward to benefit the game long term this being one why does this deserve special consideration

With Austria's situation Poland, Russia Sweden, Denmark have all got a chance at alternate history. More thought should have been given on how to support Austria at the time.

thirdly let us ask ourselfs WHY we feel the need to give Austria Italian culture

 

[BiB]

Because of the ai doing sommink with like 3% chance and screwing Austria

 

[Smirfy]

Originally posted by BiB
Because of the ai doing sommink with like 3% chance and screwing Austria

Now i believe *LUCK* is part of the game (long may it remain so)

cast your mind back to a post stating "i checked the manpower tables and im one level behind so your toast " is all play to degerate to this

 

[Damocles]

The Habsburg situation is rather unique. The lay of the events that transpired took away any justification for Austria to have Magyar and Slovak, they didn't even get the CBS.

Historically however , Italian culture is very justified for Austria, it is just ussually left out for game balance reasons, in that Austria ussually grabs most of Germany and Hungary anyways. In this case, Peter has shown exceptional adherence to the spirit of the rules and has done no such thing.

Eventually, after he loses the Netherlands, he will become very ahistorically weak, which would not make for a very interesting longterm game. So, a single special allowance was made for this single special circumstance that he should get Italian culture upon choosing to keep his italian provinces and let the rest go to Spain.

Ottoman Empire, France and Austria agree to this. I don't see why Portugal cares, since we've given the most thought to it. Can you give any real argument Smirfy beyond a single line?

 

[Smirfy]

Originally posted by Damocles
The Habsburg situation is rather unique. The lay of the events that transpired took away any justification for Austria to have Magyar and Slovak, they didn't even get the CBS.

Historically however , Italian culture is very justified for Austria, it is just ussually left out for game balance reasons, in that Austria ussually grabs most of Germany and Hungary anyways. In this case, Peter has shown exceptional adherence to the spirit of the rules and has done no such thing.

Eventually, after he loses the Netherlands, he will become very ahistorically weak, which would not make for a very interesting longterm game. So, a single special allowance was made for this single special circumstance that he should get Italian culture upon choosing to keep his italian provinces and let the rest go to Spain.

Ottoman Empire, France and Austria agree to this. I don't see why Portugal cares, since we've given the most thought to it. Can you give any real argument Smirfy beyond a single line?

Yes plenty of reasons


1/ Bad luck Austria
2/ Austria does not have Italian culture in the game
3/ If something goes wrong for a another country do we do likewise
4/ Who is to decides what makes for an interesting game?
5/ This is being "deterministic"
6/ This has nothing to with it's Peter
7/ All nations start within parameters you can't go about changing them
8/ Balance reasons why is this one so special (see 6)
9/ Hapsburgs could have gone Tits up at any stage just it happened sooner in ours

 

[BiB]

Considering we're using a scenario with many edits and are editing along the way in the game already half ur arguments are a bit out there

 

[Wyvern]

Well personally I'm more open to changing things like this in this game because its been billed from the start as trying to be a bit more realistic, and Archduke always said there would be edits. Having said that though I don't have strong views on the Austria culture change either way so will support the consensus, whatever it turns out to be.

Also Smirfy, remember we need to get Bermuda edit swapped seeing as Archduke didn't like the Mil Access method of doing it in game.

 

[Smirfy]

Originally posted by BiB
Considering we're using a scenario with many edits and are editing along the way in the game already half ur arguments are a bit out there

I would argue with the proportion

Lets equate with nerfing an AI nations map knowledge to giving a culture not just any old culture but italian

 

[Smirfy]

Originally posted by Wyvern

Also Smirfy, remember we need to get Bermuda edit swapped seeing as Archduke didn't like the Mil Access method of doing it in game.

As long as people don't equate editing a TP with Italian culture

No problem

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Smirfy

3/ If something goes wrong for a another country do we do likewise

Yes.

Giving up two cultures that a nation has, but do not control any provinces of, in exchange for one culture, that they do control several provinces of could, I believe, be made a rule with little damage to gameplay.


Whatever. Duke it out between you, and the friendly Habsburg will play with whatever results.... After all, these things happen.

Though I must admit that given the ahistorical choice of Hungary, there is no good reason for Austria to retain Magyar and Slovak cultures. (They should have been granted with the event in any case, rather than having belonged to Austria from the start).

Karl V - I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men, and German to my horse

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Smirfy
I would argue with the proportion

Lets equate with nerfing an AI nations map knowledge to giving a culture not just any old culture but italian

Did u also notice a completely a newly edited Persia last session?

Not to mention the many starting changes to dp settings, cores, and so on ... ?

 

[TheArchduke]

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen

Whatever. Duke it out between you,
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Yeah throw AD around.



I think italian culture is more justified and useful for game balance than maygar and slovak really. And honestly I think we should give it a try.

 

[Smirfy]

Originally posted by BiB
Did u also notice a completely a newly edited Persia last session?

Not to mention the many starting changes to dp settings, cores, and so on ... ?

Well we all know persia is a special case

I thought there was only two edits so far DURING the game


and if you put your icq on bib I will certainly explain some balance issues

edit sorry for not anwsering icq's earlier was on works machine