How so? Do you disagree with me concerning the status of the war and the long term outcome, and, if so, how did you see the war as progressing and ending?
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Of course the flaw in ur reasoning is that Prussia might very well want to accept an alliance WP. For example because it wants to screw u over, or that it really needs a WP and can't get a separate one, ... There are many good reasons to be found. And if I were fighting that coalition I would direct my war efforts towards getting him in a situation where he would get that desperate.
Getting back to my earlier example of the beta MP game I saw how Naples was beating Byzantium and I took my chances to get an alliance WP to bail out my other ally because I knew Byzantium needed a WP desperately and I only offered an allaince WP. He took it fully knowing what he was doing. Obviously his allies didn't agree 
I saw the Netherlands and France successfully reversing the gains that Austria made in Prussia. I saw Prussia with a 100k army, and having just received 1500 ducats. I saw France receiving 800 ducats every two months, with superior manpower, throwing both the Austrians and Turks out of Italy.
However,
If England, Spain and Portugal had not gone to war against the Ottoman Empire, I would have agreed with your assessment. However, they did, leaving you in a battle of numbers between Prussia, Netherlands and France, with only Poland as an ally against Prussia. Due to Red and Slargos' hostility. Both myself and Red thought that it was only a matter of time before Austria was finished. Hence our great anger. Which was compounded by Wyvern then doing the exact same thing with the Ottomans. But I understand why. It isn't Wyvern's fault he had a moment of criminal stupidity. But I know you are extremely intelligent Peter, and I think you knew there was an outside chance that Wyvern would in a neglectful moment, click okay. Maybe you just instinctively took the chance without thinking it through, but it still sucked. What annoyed me most however, was that you attempted to rationalize it as anything beyond a stab in the dark, trying to get lucky.
On the flip side.
The comment I made a week ago that was disparaged by other members of the French alliance was thoroughly vindicated. I wasted 25-30,000 ducats on Barnius' orders on those worthless, fighting scamps. Barnius would've been better off paying Austria the 18k for the 3 provinces and counted itself as having gotten a good deal.
That was not the case however. Wyvern thought it was a seperate peace.
EDIT: And I think any reasonably impartial observer would agree that there is no way Wyvern would've accepted that alliance white peace no matter what. And if Peter was really serious about an alliance peace, he should've brought it up to us! Not sneak it in like a dagger in the side.
"What we've got here.. is a failure to communicate..
Some men.. you just can't reach.."
Let's not go assuming things. It just doesn't work.
If Peter says he Assumed Wyvern would understand it was an alliance offer, that's what we've got to go on.
*Unless* you can - through logs or otherwise - clearly prove that Peter hasn't applied this principle most of the time in previous wars...
Please don't call people liars when you can't back it up. It's not good for the spirit of the game.
Some men.. you just can't reach.."
Let's not go assuming things. It just doesn't work.
If Peter says he Assumed Wyvern would understand it was an alliance offer, that's what we've got to go on.
*Unless* you can - through logs or otherwise - clearly prove that Peter hasn't applied this principle most of the time in previous wars...
Please don't call people liars when you can't back it up. It's not good for the spirit of the game.
Originally posted by Slargos
"What we've got here.. is a failure to communicate..
Some men.. you just can't reach.."
Let's not go assuming things. It just doesn't work.
If Peter says he Assumed Wyvern would understand it was an alliance offer, that's what we've got to go on.
*Unless* you can - through logs or otherwise - clearly prove that Peter hasn't applied this principle most of the time in previous wars...
Please don't call people liars when you can't back it up. It's not good for the spirit of the game.
Like you're one to talk
I'm assuming Peter was wise enough to consider that Wyvern might think this was not a alliance peace and in fact a seperate peace, and if he was so sincere, should've actually talked about it with him. That he just threw it out there, makes it much more suspicious, and I would hazard, does not match the actions of one who sincerely thought he could get an alliance WP.
French superior manpower??? Have you been smoking? Austria-Italia alone had a greater manpower than France and the Netherlands together, and Poland had a greater manpower than Prussia.
I think I will send you my playersave from a few days after the war ended Damocles, so you can see what the situation looked like from my side.
And with regards to funds, Austria-Italia had little cause to complain.*
*Whistles the tune from "A Fistful of Ducats", the good old classic Iberian tune.
Originally posted by Damocles
Like you're one to talk
As a matter of fact, I have Red on record making deliberate lies on several occasions. I think I can safely call him a liar.
Originally posted by Damocles
Like you're one to talk
I'm assuming Peter was wise enough to consider that Wyvern might think this was not a alliance peace and in fact a seperate peace, and if he was so sincere, should've actually talked about it with him. That he just threw it out there, makes it much more suspicious, and I would hazard, does not match the actions of one who sincerely thought he could get an alliance WP.
At the end of the day as Bib says you let Prussia the most strategicaly exposed country of your axis be alliance leader, your mistake end of story.
Actually, it is Wyvern's parents faults for not making him study hard enough as a child and the crack habit which killed his brain cells.
Originally posted by Kalpeti
Guns'n'Roses: Civil War
THE VERY BEST!!!!!
we dont need no civil war
it pays the rich, while it buries the poor
Yeah!
Well, I fought on ur side (so I ain't impartial, I am actually biased in ur favour
) and I would have done the same thing and felt like it was the right thing to do. It had a chance of succeeding and in my book then that means it is worth a shot. IF u then also know about all sorts of RPG stuff about kings changing and such then it defo is worth a shot, but even without that it is worth it.And usually alliance peaces are proposed to the alliance leader
As I said before, why u kept Prussia as leader I do not know.
Originally posted by Damocles
Actually, it is Wyvern's parents faults for not making him study hard enough as a child and the crack habit which killed his brain cells.
Yep - I love you too Damo
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I will say in stupidities defence that I simply wasn't thinking that I was alliance leader when I accepted the peace offer - how could weak little Prussia be alliance leader I guess was my subconscious thought. I wouldn't have accepted an alliance WP without consulting allies for the very simple reason that it would piss off two guys who I'm likely to play lots more MP with. That is a zero gain result just to get out of one war. Now I defo wanted peace for Prussia though as I knew just how exposed I was and my view was that despite the couple of provinces we'd just managed to assault back, the armies coming my way were about to swamp me, but hey these things happen - chill out guys and lets move on to other things now.
The initial peace with Austria was an unfortunate mistake. The second, exact same mistake repeated a month later with the Ottomans was stupidity rearing it's ugly head. But its okay, you are forgiven. It is a simple human deficiency.
