Machiavelli : Europe Arising

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Originally posted by Wyvern
If it helps anyone when working out income, Prussian monthly income was around 40-45d per month when I took over with 120ish ducats census taxes. Yes we really are that poor. The world should pitty the poor Prussians who still got jumped on by all her neighbours seemingly for no better reason than that we were able to successfully defend ourselves. Are the monarchs of the world really so gullible as to believe the Dutch propaganda machine?

Yes, poor Prussians. On the other hand, we all know what happens if you let Prussians to grow too strong, so your neighbouring countries were really just fighting for their bare survival

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Barnius
Which charts?
I suppose I could post whole excel tables or something, with all steps of calculation and all the data, but is it really necessary? I mean, it's not 3D integration in complex N-dimentional space but simple adding up and multiplying. Anyway, don’t you believe me?

what I meant was the things you always post.

I was under the impression hat you were going to post some more.

 

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Originally posted by kurtbrian
what I meant was the things you always post.

I was under the impression hat you were going to post some more.

I am not sure I will make it. Leaving for a weekend today and than business trip on monday...
Perhaps I will post some tables, but only if I succeed in making the data more precyse (inflation, maercenaries, military maintenance have to be taken into account).

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Barnius
I am not sure I will make it. Leaving for a weekend today and than business trip on monday...
Perhaps I will post some tables, but only if I succeed in making the data more precyse (inflation, maercenaries, military maintenance have to be taken into account).

ok,

have a nice trip!

 

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Originally posted by Barnius
I am not sure I will make it. Leaving for a weekend today and than business trip on monday...
Perhaps I will post some tables, but only if I succeed in making the data more precyse (inflation, maercenaries, military maintenance have to be taken into account).

Anyway, already the MINIMAL costs are showing devastationg defeat of FRA+HOL+POL+SWE+DAN.

Austria-Italia got a lot of provinces, Prussia surely succeeded in pillaging everything worth in Holland while occupying and for some years even ruling parts of the country.
As for lost money, imagine what could have France and Poland do with 50.000 d. Much more than Austria-Italia and Prussia with 19.000 d.

 

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Originally posted by kurtbrian
ok,

have a nice trip!

Thanks

 

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BTW, income data in the AAR forum are correct now.

 

[kurtbrian]

I really don't think quoting yourself is a smart thing to do.

BiB usually quotes other people...

This to spamming in my opinion.

(yeah, yeah, looks who's talkigna nd all that....)

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Barnius
Another method to estimate the income: at some moment during the war each country had minimal military maintenance MMmin. The wealth corresponding to it is Wmax.
War lasted 10 years so

total income=10*Wmax

Using this approach, both alliances had the same ration of military losses costs and income: 32%.

That's a very innovative way of calculating wealth, Barnius, using a temporary spike - that, for all we know, may only have been relevant for a few months - to give an overall image of a 10 year period.

 

[Wyvern]

Yeah the forum is finally back - Prussian AAR has just been posted!

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Wyvern
Yeah the forum is finally back - Prussian AAR has just been posted!

That was quite a story!

very well written!

 

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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
That's a very innovative way of calculating wealth, Barnius, using a temporary spike - that, for all we know, may only have been relevant for a few months - to give an overall image of a 10 year period.

Dear professor, I think you are confussing income with wealth, while

INCOME=WEALTH+MILITARY MAINTENANCE

Therefore INCOME>=WEALTH

Therefore the method is perfectly OK

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Barnius

Therefore the method is perfectly OK

Using a spike, whether as a low point or as a high point, to generate a meaningful long-term value is, in most cases, errant nonsense.

 

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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
Using a spike, whether as a low point or as a high point, to generate a meaningful long-term value is, in most cases, errant nonsense.

I am not saying it's perfect, but is IS another aproach, and since WEALTH numbers we can get from the file easily, while INCOME are not that easily reachable...

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Barnius
I am not saying it's perfect, but is IS another aproach, and since WEALTH numbers we can get from the file easily, while INCOME are not that easily reachable...

An interesting approach for sure, since it is one in which the numbers can be completely distorted by a single nation choosing to be at 50% maintenance for just one month during those 10 years.

 

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Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
An interesting approach for sure, since it is one in which the numbers can be completely distorted by a single nation choosing to be at 50% maintenance for just one month during those 10 years.

But since it was a war, ALL were at 100% maintenance. And wealth figures are on a yearly bases, so one month of changed maintenance wouldn't change so much.

Nevertheless, ABSOLUTE numbers are important.

 

[Wyvern]

Originally posted by kurtbrian
That was quite a story!

very well written!

Thanks. Something to stir the blood and portray the situation from its true perspective!

 

[Peter Ebbesen]

Originally posted by Wyvern
Thanks. Something to stir the blood and portray the situation from its true perspective!

I find myself in complete agreement. A more accurate narrative of the incredible travails of the bold Prussians is hard to imagine, though you were too kind on the issue of the backstabbing Poles, really. It is not, after all, the first time they backstab Prussia - rather, it has become a tradition in its own right.

 

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Great AAR Wyvern, though i will have to correct some things in my AAR (namely the ones of Sweden being on France´s side).

Posted one too, but its really bad so dont read it.

Next update will come later in the week-end probably.

 

[Swuul]

Originally posted by Mulliman
Posted one too, but its really bad so dont read it.

Despite the warning I read it. Nothing wrong with the text, but I really don't understand what those two pictures with "Oops..." text has to do with the AAR

Posted an Ottoman AAR too. True to my style it is dull reading with no pictures at all