Machiavelli : Europe Arising

[BiB]

Originally posted by Barnius
Having said that, I would like you all to think about possibility to move a capital in some new game.
In a situation Holland was before the last session, it made a lot of sense. Naturally, some conditions should be set, for example buildong CCs allowed only in EXOSTING Dutch colonies, not in China or something...

IMO it doesn't make enough sense. European natiosn didn't just pack it in and left. U are Holland, not the VOC.

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Kalpeti
Is there any "houserule" for how fast do you have to answer a peace offer?
Whats the situation with the events? Do you have houserules? For example: You get a corruption event, you have no money on treasury so you wait until end of the year for the census taxes. Is this allowed or treated as cheat or exploit?

I think events automatically takes choice A after 2 months

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Barnius
A completely sepparate matter: revolts.

Holland received a lot of stabhitting peace offers and was at war for a long time. However, revolts were not that big of a problem.
I suppose Holland is a bit speciffic example: almost exclusivelly low population developped colonies. Because if that would be the same for some other colonial powers, than I would say revolts would need some adjustment.

Didn't u just post a few posts up it took u several years (15?) to quell all unrest after teh war?

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Slargos
Bring it on, Bigboy.

On an unrelated note, I don't believe you can stabhit for WP. I was atleast not taking any neg stab when being offered WP..

U can.

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Barnius
WHAT IS THIS?
Am I the "Propaganda Machine" or you are???
And since when are Spanish and Dutch oppinion so alike??

Since everyone decided that the germans are the true evil in the machiavelli world...

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Peter Ebbesen
France received stab-hitting offers for about four years alternating between demanding Mainz and white peace (for variety) and did not seem to have any problems rejecting them either except for taking a long, long time answering the offers*. It is possible that the Spanish rebel-killers had an influence on this, but I do not really know as I could only see the border areas.


* Preventing me from using my full eight diplomats/year to stabhit France. I had to stabhit Poland for WP on Prussia's behalf with the rest of my diplomats when I remembered it, in order not to waste too many diplomats, who could be gainfully employed.

Oh, I could keep myself busy in France

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by BiB
Oh, I could keep myself busy in France

Must be nice for France to have some peacekeepers around to quell unrest...

 

[unmerged(10146)]

Originally posted by BiB
IMO it doesn't make enough sense. European natiosn didn't just pack it in and left. U are Holland, not the VOC.

Under certain conditions (like not invading China for example), why couldn't SMALL powers be what they want to be? To be less woulerable.

 

[unmerged(5834)]

Originally posted by Barnius
Under certain conditions (like not invading China for example), why couldn't SMALL powers be what they want to be? To be less woulerable.

Move your capital to anywhere you want is not THAT historical IMHO.

 

[Slargos]

OTOH, if all dutch provinces were occupied/annexed, wouldn't it make sense for the dutch to move their base of operations to another area, until such a time that they can reclaim their capital?

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Barnius
Under certain conditions (like not invading China for example), why couldn't SMALL powers be what they want to be? To be less woulerable.

well, it would shift the powerbalance somewhat...

You would all of have it a lot easier colonizing in Asia, I also belive you would get more manpower, but I'm not sure...

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Barnius
Under certain conditions (like not invading China for example), why couldn't SMALL powers be what they want to be? To be less woulerable.

Because, as I said, it just never was even a possibility to just pack up ur country and leave. Ur nation are dutchies and they like their land, period. They don't want to go live all in the midst of some Indonesians.

 

[unmerged(10146)]

Originally posted by BiB
Didn't u just post a few posts up it took u several years (15?) to quell all unrest after teh war?

Yes, but there was never any danger some province could join some other country. And only MINIMAL fort provinces were taken by rebells.

 

[Slargos]

Originally posted by BiB
Because, as I said, it just never was even a possibility to just pack up ur country and leave. Ur nation are dutchies and they like their land, period. They don't want to go live all in the midst of some Indonesians.

It wouldn't be the dutch *people* though. It would just be the ruling caste. They've already got a lot of dutchmen living in indonesia...

 

[kurtbrian]

Originally posted by Slargos
OTOH, if all dutch provinces were occupied/annexed, wouldn't it make sense for the dutch to move their base of operations to another area, until such a time that they can reclaim their capital?

Yes, and I don't think the Dutch Government would remain in Holland if it was occupied by the eeevil germans.

But from there to surrendering their capital in a peace deal....

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Slargos
OTOH, if all dutch provinces were occupied/annexed, wouldn't it make sense for the dutch to move their base of operations to another area, until such a time that they can reclaim their capital?

Considering they can't ever lose their capital unless annexed and when ur capital when occupied doesn't interfere with government there's no need for that.

 

[Slargos]

Originally posted by BiB
Considering they can't ever lose their capital unless annexed and when ur capital when occupied doesn't interfere with government there's no need for that.

Of course, I was arguging from a RP point of view.

I know how the game engine works.

 

[BiB]

Originally posted by Slargos
It wouldn't be the dutch *people* though. It would just be the ruling caste. They've already got a lot of dutchmen living in indonesia...

A far, far minority. The numbers in the game are actually far inflated.

 

[Slargos]

Originally posted by BiB
A far, far minority. The numbers in the game are actually far inflated.

Yes, but they're numbers in the game engine, mr I-will-defend-it-to-my-last-keyboard

 

[kurtbrian]

I just luv those postfests in here!