[Mac] Low performance

Teoma · Aug 14, 2013

I'm having the same problem, the game is totally unplayable.
CK2, HOI3 and other titles run flawlessly.
EU4 is not close to being playable on my computer at the moment.

Macbook pro 2009 spring, with the NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT 256 MB graphics card (which was included in the requirements for the game as far as I know).

Info:

Modellnamn: MacBook Pro
Modellidentifierare: MacBookPro5,3
Processornamn: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processorhastighet: 2,66 GHz
Antal processorer: 1
Totalt antal kärnor: 2
L2-cache: 3 MB
Minne: 4 GB
Busshastighet: 1,07 GHz
Boot ROM-version: MBP53.00AC.B03

Graphics card: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT:

Styrkretsmodell: NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
Typ: Grafikprocessor
Buss: PCIe
PCIe-bandbredd: x16
VRAM (totalt): 256 MB
Tillverkare: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Enhets-ID: 0x0647
Revisions-ID: 0x00a1
ROM-revision: 3448
gMux-version: 1.8.8

Ram:

BANK 0/DIMM0:

Storlek: 2 GB
Typ: DDR3
Hastighet: 1067 MHz
Status: OK
Tillverkare: 0x80AD
Artikelnummer: 0x484D54313235533642465238432D47372020
Serienummer: 0x2BC08D4E

BANK 1/DIMM0:

Storlek: 2 GB
Typ: DDR3
Hastighet: 1067 MHz
Status: OK
Tillverkare: 0x80AD
Artikelnummer: 0x484D54313235533642465238432D47372020
Serienummer: 0x2A108E12.

Thanks.

Disease · Aug 14, 2013

Mine is a fully loaded 2011 MacBook Air, Intel i7 1.8 GHz, 4GB RAM DDR3, Intel HD 3000; the hard drive is a 256 GB SSD speed demon, and I'm running the latest version of OS X (10.8.4).

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: MacBook Air
Model Identifier: MacBookAir4,2
Processor Name: Intel Core i7
Processor Speed: 1,8 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 4 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Boot ROM Version: MBA41.0077.B0F
SMC Version (system): 1.73f66

Memory Slots:

ECC: Disabled

BANK 0/DIMM0:

Size: 2 GB
Type: DDR3
Speed: 1333 MHz
Status: OK
Manufacturer: 0x80AD
Part Number: 0x484D54333235533642465238432D48392020
Serial Number: 0x00000000

BANK 1/DIMM0:

Size: 2 GB
Type: DDR3
Speed: 1333 MHz
Status: OK
Manufacturer: 0x80AD
Part Number: 0x484D54333235533642465238432D48392020
Serial Number: 0x00000000

Intel HD Graphics 3000:

Chipset Model: Intel HD Graphics 3000
Type: GPU
Bus: Built-In
VRAM (Total): 384 MB
Vendor: Intel (0x8086)
Device ID: 0x0116
Revision ID: 0x0009

The game is unplayably slow even with everything turned off and running at lower-than-native resolution (to be fair, turning off both sky and sea at 1280*800 makes it smoother, but I'd rather not play it with black holes between land masses...).
For comparison, CKII runs flawlessly, never experienced any kind of slowdown whatsoever. I know that the graphic department is lower than required and that I gambled in placing the pre-order, but it seems absurd to experience such a difference in performance between the two games

unmerged(519535) · Aug 14, 2013

I'm having similar issues (as posted on another thread). The game seems to load ok, but the biggest issue at the moment appears to be that even with everything except "borders" turned to "no," the little city, army, wagon etc. icons are black and not rendering. I admit that I didn't check the system requirements before purchase, which was stupid. However, if there were still any way to play, I'd be very excited. Someones suggested updating graphics drivers, but I don't think that's normally done, at least with my kind of Mac/card. Sorry, I'm not very technologically inclined...anyway, here is some system info. Hope something can be done...

Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP71.0039.B0B
SMC Version (system): 1.62f7

NVIDIA GeForce 320M:

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 320M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x08a0
Revision ID: 0x00a2
ROM Revision: 3533

DominusNovus · Aug 14, 2013

Just for reference, here's the specs on my Mac, experiencing the same issue:

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP71.0039.B0E
SMC Version (system): 1.62f7
Serial Number (system): W80446JTATN
Hardware UUID: D55B413E-610A-552C-9BF4-A3176C856D5B
Sudden Motion Sensor:
State: Enabled

NVIDIA GeForce 320M:

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 320M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x08a0
Revision ID: 0x00a2
ROM Revision: 3533
Displays:
Color LCD:
Display Type: LCD
Resolution: 1280 x 800
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Built-In: Yes

Centre · Aug 14, 2013

Just for comparison's sake, on my work laptop (an old, old Windows) it runs beautifully and here are the specs on the video card:

Display Devices
---------------
Card name: NVIDIA NVS 3100M
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: NVS 3100M
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0A6C&SUBSYS_040A1028&REV_A2
Display Memory: 2229 MB
Dedicated Memory: 474 MB
Shared Memory: 1754 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 800 (32 bit) (60Hz)

Point being, if my work laptop, which has an not-so-great video card and is below Windows requirements, can run EU4 really well, why can't it run on Mac?

EUTony · Aug 14, 2013

Model Name: MacBook
Model Identifier: MacBook7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 320M 256 MB

syxx521 · Aug 14, 2013

If I can be of any help: upgrade your RAM! It's relatively inexpensive, I got two 4gb sticks from Crucial.com for about $55 shipped. EUIV works fine on my Mac, just played through about 4 years as England with hardly a skip. I haven't touched any settings either, using political mapmode.

Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 8 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 320M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB

Stannis_b · Aug 14, 2013

I am also experiencing a huge lag in the game (and even on the title screen) despite a perfectly smooth gameplay of CKII.

I estimate that the delay between a click and the execution of the action is approximately 3 or 4 seconds. The game is playable with a bit of patience, but I would love to see a performance-improving patch.

Macbook Pro 8,1:
Intel HD Graphics 3000 GPU with 384 MB of VRAM, 4 GB of RAM and an i5 2,3 GHz CPU.

Here is my settings.txt file:

Code:

force_pow2_textures=no
language="l_english"
graphics=
{
	size=
	{
		x=1280
		y=800
	}

	min_gui=
	{
		x=1280
		y=720
	}

	refreshRate=0
	fullScreen=yes
	shadows=no
	shadowSize=2048
	multi_sampling=0
	anisotropic_filtering=0
	gamma=0.000000
}
sound_fx_volume=100.000000
music_volume=100.000000
scroll_speed=1.000000
camera_rotation_speed=1.000000
zoom_speed=1.000000
mouse_speed=1.000000
master_volume=100.000000
ambient_volume=50.000000
combat_sound_random=6
mapRenderingOptions=
{
	draw_terrain=yes
	draw_water=no
	draw_borders=no
	draw_trees=no
	draw_rivers=no
	draw_postfx=no
	draw_sky=no
	draw_bloom=no
	draw_tooltips=yes
	draw_hires_terrain=no
	draw_citysprawl=no
	draw_shadows=no
	draw_reflections=no
	draw_ambient_objects=no
	moving_units=no
}
camera_speed=5.000000
camera_tilt=5.000000
centered_zoom_in=yes
lastplayer="Player"
lasthost=""
debug_saves=0
autosave="YEARLY"
autosave_tocloud=no
difficulty="LUCK_NONE"
outliner=
{
	2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 20 }
outliner_open=yes
messagelist_open=yes
windowmovetime=0.200000
hints=no
disabled_hints=
{
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 }
custom_mapmodes=
{
0 1 4 3 2 5 }

I still have "clouds" moving over the whole map, is there any way of disabling those to see whether or not it would improve the performances of the game ?
One curious thing: albeit I have disabled moving units, I can still see them on the map.

EDIT:

Here is my steam system information:

Code:

Processor Information:
    Model:  MacBookPro8,1
    Vendor:  GenuineIntel
    Speed: 2300 Mhz
    4 logical processors
    2 physical processors
    HyperThreading:  Supported
    FCMOV:  Supported
    SSE2:  Supported
    SSE3:  Supported
    SSSE3:  Supported
    SSE4a:  Unsupported
    SSE41:  Supported
    SSE42:  Supported
    
Network Information:
    Network Speed:  
    
Operating System Version:
    MacOS 10.6.8 (64 bit)
    
Video Card:
    Driver:  Intel HD Graphics 3000

    Driver Version:  1.2
    Driver Date: 0  0
    Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
    Monitor Refresh Rate: 0 Hz
    VendorID:  0x8086
    DeviceID:  0x126
    Number of Monitors:  1
    Number of Logical Video Cards:  1
    Primary Display Resolution:  1280 x 800
    Desktop Resolution: 1280 x 800
    Primary Display Size: 11.42" x 7.09"  (13.43" diag)
                                            29.0cm x 18.0cm  (34.1cm diag)
    Primary VRAM: 416 MB
    
Memory:
    RAM:  4096 Mb
    
Miscellaneous:
    UI Language:  English
    Microphone:  Not set
    Media Type:  DVD
    Total Hard Disk Space Available:  304917 Mb
    Largest Free Hard Disk Block:  200638 Mb
    
Installed software:

unmerged(503140) · Aug 14, 2013

I have the same problem as the rest..CK2 runs fine but EU4 is unplayably laggy.

Gaute65 · Aug 14, 2013

IcratoX said:
DxDiag is a windows program yup.

Please report back with describing the full system specifications of your Mac's, it helps giving a better image of the situation.

The best way to do this is start up steamclient . Select help, then system information, then copy past that information here.

unmerged(519535) · Aug 14, 2013

Gaute65 said:
The best way to do this is start up steamclient . Select help, then system information, then copy past that information here.

Here's mine FWIW:

Processor Information:
Model: MacBookPro7,1
Vendor: GenuineIntel
Speed: 2400 Mhz
2 logical processors
2 physical processors
HyperThreading: Unsupported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Unsupported

Network Information:
Network Speed:

Operating System Version:
MacOS 10.6.8 (64 bit)

Video Card:
Driver: NVIDIA GeForce 320M

Driver Version: 1.2
Driver Date: 0 0
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 0 Hz
VendorID: 0x10de
DeviceID: 0x8a0
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
Primary Display Resolution: 1280 x 800
Desktop Resolution: 1280 x 800
Primary Display Size: 11.42" x 7.09" (13.43" diag)
29.0cm x 18.0cm (34.1cm diag)
Primary VRAM: 256 MB

Memory:
RAM: 4096 Mb

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
Microphone: Not set
Media Type: DVD
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 238147 Mb
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 14665 Mb

Installed software:

Morningsideriot · Aug 15, 2013

Having the same problem here. CK2 works fine (and I love it), but EU4 is completely unplayable. Here's my information from Steam:

Processor Information:
Model: MacBookPro6,2
Vendor: GenuineIntel
Speed: 2400 Mhz
4 logical processors
2 physical processors
HyperThreading: Supported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Supported

Network Information:
Network Speed:

Operating System Version:
MacOS 10.8.4 (64 bit)

Video Card:
Driver: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M

Driver Version: 1.2
Driver Date: 0 0
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 0 Hz
VendorID: 0x10de
DeviceID: 0xa29
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
Primary Display Resolution: 1440 x 900
Desktop Resolution: 1440 x 900
Primary Display Size: 12.95" x 8.15" (15.28" diag)
32.9cm x 20.7cm (38.8cm diag)
Primary VRAM: 256 MB

Memory:
RAM: 4096 Mb

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
Microphone: Not set
Media Type: DVD
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 304425 Mb
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 162034 Mb

Installed software:

unmerged(503140) · Aug 15, 2013

oops forgot to add my info:

Processor Information:
Model: MacBookPro7,1
Vendor: GenuineIntel
Speed: 2400 Mhz
2 logical processors
2 physical processors
HyperThreading: Unsupported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Unsupported

Network Information:
Network Speed:

Operating System Version:
MacOS 10.8.4 (64 bit)

Video Card:
Driver: NVIDIA GeForce 320M

Driver Version: 1.2
Driver Date: 0 0
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 0 Hz
VendorID: 0x10de
DeviceID: 0x8a0
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
Primary Display Resolution: 1280 x 800
Desktop Resolution: 1280 x 800
Primary Display Size: 11.22" x 7.01" (13.23" diag)
28.5cm x 17.8cm (33.6cm diag)
Primary VRAM: 256 MB

Memory:
RAM: 4096 Mb

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
Microphone: Not set
Media Type: DVD
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 304425 Mb
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 88013 Mb

Installed software:
Growl

heroindog · Aug 15, 2013

syxx521 said:
If I can be of any help: upgrade your RAM! It's relatively inexpensive, I got two 4gb sticks from Crucial.com for about $55 shipped. EUIV works fine on my Mac, just played through about 4 years as England with hardly a skip. I haven't touched any settings either, using political mapmode.

Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 8 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 320M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB

NO, its not ram.

Processor Information:
Model: MacBookPro6,2
Vendor: GenuineIntel
Speed: 2530 Mhz
4 logical processors
2 physical processors
HyperThreading: Supported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Supported

Network Information:
Network Speed:

Operating System Version:
MacOS 10.8.4 (64 bit)

Video Card:
Driver: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M

Driver Version: 1.2
Driver Date: 0 0
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 0 Hz
VendorID: 0x10de
DeviceID: 0xa29
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
Primary Display Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Desktop Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Primary Display Size: 12.99" x 8.11" (15.31" diag)
33.0cm x 20.6cm (38.9cm diag)
Primary VRAM: 256 MB

Memory:
RAM: 8192 Mb

EUTony · Aug 15, 2013

I think we agree that the ocean and fog of war animations are what is causing our lag?

Centre · Aug 15, 2013

EUTony said:
I think we agree that the ocean and fog of war animations are what is causing our lag?

Yes.

But this is obviously our fault, we didn't read the system requirements!

Mr Zanaforia · Aug 15, 2013

Having same issue as all of you. Mid 2010 Macbook Pro

Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro7,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: MBP71.0039.B0E
SMC Version (system): 1.62f7

Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce 320M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 256 MB

RogerWilco · Aug 15, 2013

Gaute65 said:
The best way to do this is start up steamclient . Select help, then system information, then copy past that information here.

Please note that this reports incorrect information, at least if you have multiple videocards it will only report the active videocard. Also other numbers are wrong, like driver info, refresh rate.

Processor Information:
Model: MacBookPro8,2
Vendor: GenuineIntel
Speed: 2200 Mhz
8 logical processors
4 physical processors
HyperThreading: Supported
FCMOV: Supported
SSE2: Supported
SSE3: Supported
SSSE3: Supported
SSE4a: Unsupported
SSE41: Supported
SSE42: Supported

Network Information:
Network Speed:

Operating System Version:
MacOS 10.7.5 (64 bit)

Video Card:
Driver: Intel HD Graphics 3000

Driver Version: 1.2
Driver Date: 0 0
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 0 Hz
VendorID: 0x8086
DeviceID: 0x116
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 2
Primary Display Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Desktop Resolution: 1680 x 1050
Primary Display Size: 12.99" x 8.11" (15.31" diag)
33.0cm x 20.6cm (38.9cm diag)
Primary VRAM: 288 MB

Memory:
RAM: 8192 Mb

Miscellaneous:
UI Language: English
Microphone: Not set
Media Type: DVD
Total Hard Disk Space Available: 714584 Mb
Largest Free Hard Disk Block: 79548 Mb

Installed software:

The Macbook Pro has two videocards. The one that actually gets used for gaming is:

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro8,2
Processor Name: Intel Core i7
Processor Speed: 2,2 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 8 GB

AMD Radeon HD 6750M:

Chipset Model: AMD Radeon HD 6750M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x8
VRAM (Total): 512 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x6741
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-C0170L-573
gMux Version: 1.9.23
EFI Driver Version: 01.00.573

It is very hard to find the OSX system requirements. This http://www.paradoxplaza.com/games/europa-universalis-iv only lists the Windows requirements.
When buying the game I just assumed that the hardware requirements for Mac would be the same.

The game is very laggy but playable on this hardware. Scrolling the map is choppy and the system is very slow to respond to mouseclicks and key presses, sometimes it takes a long time (seconds) for it to respond to for example spacebar to pauze the game, or trying to select a unit or commanding it where to go. Next to that the animations of moving boats are very choppy. The whole thing feel sluggish and slow.

I'm having no issues in Crusader Kings II, it runs much better.

The video memory is a bit on the low end, but otherwise the specs for my machine should be fine I think?

While the game for me is playable, it is frustrating when it doesn't seem to respond a lot of time. Sometimes I've pressed spacebar 10 times before something seems to happen. I wanted to add another datapoint for the devs trying to debug this.

Note: I actively cool my laptop when playing games otherwise it will slow down when it gets hot! (CPU throttle function to prevent it from melting) Maybe this is what's happening to some people?

RogerWilco · Aug 15, 2013

EUTony said:
I think we agree that the ocean and fog of war animations are what is causing our lag?

It could be something else entirely. I just noticed in another thread where people had lag issues, that they figured out that it was the notification for rebellions. A developer even confirmed it and made a fix in the code.

So it might be something else entirely.

unmerged(519535) · Aug 16, 2013

For me it's not just lag, it's that some of the on-map icons (armies, etc) are only rendering in black, which I take to mean that my graphics card is simply too wuss. Out of curiosity, though, how do we get updates if a developer fixes the code?
-Ricky Retardo

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