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No wonder I couldn't find it.

Finnic redone, Komi-Mordvin, Baltic and Slavic done. Current status:
--- Error 1 of 74 ---
The religion amanai has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 2 of 74 ---
The religion amun has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 3 of 74 ---
The religion amun_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 4 of 74 ---
The religion anansi has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 5 of 74 ---
The religion aten has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 6 of 74 ---
The religion aten_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 7 of 74 ---
The religion bantu_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 8 of 74 ---
The religion batembuzi has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 9 of 74 ---
The religion bon has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 10 of 74 ---
The religion bon_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 11 of 74 ---
The religion bud_bahusrutiya has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 12 of 74 ---
The religion bud_mahayana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 13 of 74 ---
The religion bud_pratyeka has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 14 of 74 ---
The religion bud_pureland has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 15 of 74 ---
The religion bud_sthaviravada has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 16 of 74 ---
The religion bud_vajrayana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 17 of 74 ---
The religion bud_zen has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 18 of 74 ---
The religion bud_zen_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 19 of 74 ---
The religion bud_zor has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 20 of 74 ---
The religion bud_zor_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 21 of 74 ---
The religion confucian has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 22 of 74 ---
The religion erlik has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 23 of 74 ---
The religion erlik_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 24 of 74 ---
The religion gurzil has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 25 of 74 ---
The religion hindu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 26 of 74 ---
The religion horus_re has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 27 of 74 ---
The religion imana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 28 of 74 ---
The religion indoh_bud has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 29 of 74 ---
The religion indoh_confucian has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 30 of 74 ---
The religion indoh_hindu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 31 of 74 ---
The religion indoh_zor has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 32 of 74 ---
The religion indohelen has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 33 of 74 ---
The religion indohelen_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 34 of 74 ---
The religion isis has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 35 of 74 ---
The religion isis_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 36 of 74 ---
The religion jain has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 37 of 74 ---
The religion jud_zion has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 38 of 74 ---
The religion kintu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 39 of 74 ---
The religion kubera has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 40 of 74 ---
The religion kubera_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 41 of 74 ---
The religion lubu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 42 of 74 ---
The religion lubu_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 43 of 74 ---
The religion makonde_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 44 of 74 ---
The religion mande_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 45 of 74 ---
The religion murugan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 46 of 74 ---
The religion murugan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 47 of 74 ---
The religion mwari has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 48 of 74 ---
The religion nasrani has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 49 of 74 ---
The religion nasrani_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 50 of 74 ---
The religion nyakalagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 51 of 74 ---
The religion nyame has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 52 of 74 ---
The religion nyasaye has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 53 of 74 ---
The religion nyau has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 54 of 74 ---
The religion saura has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 55 of 74 ---
The religion saura_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 56 of 74 ---
The religion serer_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 57 of 74 ---
The religion set has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 58 of 74 ---
The religion set_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 59 of 74 ---
The religion tao has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 60 of 74 ---
The religion tao_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 61 of 74 ---
The religion tengri_ahriman has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 62 of 74 ---
The religion tengri_bud has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 63 of 74 ---
The religion tengri_bud_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 64 of 74 ---
The religion tengri_mani has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 65 of 74 ---
The religion tengri_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 66 of 74 ---
The religion tengri_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 67 of 74 ---
The religion tengri_rod has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 68 of 74 ---
The religion vidharma has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 69 of 74 ---
The religion vidharma_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 70 of 74 ---
The religion yoruba has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 71 of 74 ---
The religion zande_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 72 of 74 ---
The religion zande_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 73 of 74 ---
The religion zulu_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 74 of 74 ---
The religion zulu_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
 

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Tengriist Religious Structure and Holy Sites

This family has got many more religions and a totally overhauled geography, making full use of the Eastern expansion.

Note to richvh: please update your SVN version to have a chance to find all these places...


Holy_Sites_2014_08_09_Tengriist.png
 

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Isn't Isilkul in Omsk? I can't find Ak Tcheshme or Aral Arjan Suu, can you give me the barony tags?

Nor Kutuk Tindu Suu. Also can't identify Khan Tangiri Chokusu. Nor Kusinara.

Got the latest titles CSVs, found most of them now, still can't identify Kutuk Tindu Suu.
 
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Isn't Isilkul in Omsk? I can't find Ak Tcheshme or Aral Arjan Suu, can you give me the barony tags?

Nor Kutuk Tindu Suu. Also can't identify Khan Tangiri Chokusu. Nor Kusinara.

I introduced these places are in the 1_titles.csv and 0_US_titles.csv as I defined the HSs, that is why I added this line in my post, which I will add here for easy reference ;) :
"Note to richvh: please update your SVN version to have a chance to find all these places..."

Anyway:
Code:
b_mahasone;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;Kusinara;x
b_belayavezha;Ak Tcheshme;Ak Tcheshme;Ak Tcheshme;;Ak Tcheshme;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
b_sapak;Aral Arjan Suu;Aral Arjan Suu;Aral Arjan Suu;;Aral Arjan Suu;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
b_tamga;Khan Tangiri Chokusu;;;;;;;;;;;;;x
b_isilkul;Isilkul;Issilkoul;Isilkul;;Isilkul;;;;;;;;;;;;;x

But there is one thing where you have a point, as I forgot to tell you. There is no temple in Altai, therefore the holding needs to be added there. I try to avoid defining a HS where there is no temple; but for tengrist religions, having a HS in the Altai is just a must...

Note: for Celtic religions, I immediately uploaded the revised localizations but also made a note for you in the main post on changed toponyms ;)
 
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Tengriist is done except for Kutuk Tindu Suu, which I still can't find (there are only 2 holdings in Altay, both castles.)
 

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You may have missed my edit:

But there is one thing where you have a point, as I forgot to tell you. There is no temple in Altai, therefore the holding needs to be added there. I try to avoid defining a HS where there is no temple; but for tengrist religions, having a HS in the Altai is just a must...

Note: for Celtic religions, I immediately uploaded the revised localizations but also made a note for you in the main post on changed toponyms ;)
 

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Should I replace the second castle in Altay with the temple, or add a third holding to Altay?
 

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Celtic and Tengriist done. Status:
--- Error 1 of 67 ---
The religion amanai has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 2 of 67 ---
The religion amun has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 3 of 67 ---
The religion amun_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 4 of 67 ---
The religion anansi has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 5 of 67 ---
The religion aten has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 6 of 67 ---
The religion aten_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 7 of 67 ---
The religion bantu_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 8 of 67 ---
The religion batembuzi has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 9 of 67 ---
The religion bon has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 10 of 67 ---
The religion bon_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 11 of 67 ---
The religion bud_bahusrutiya has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 12 of 67 ---
The religion bud_mahayana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 13 of 67 ---
The religion bud_pratyeka has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 14 of 67 ---
The religion bud_pureland has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 15 of 67 ---
The religion bud_sthaviravada has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 16 of 67 ---
The religion bud_vajrayana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 17 of 67 ---
The religion bud_zen has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 18 of 67 ---
The religion bud_zen_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 19 of 67 ---
The religion bud_zor has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 20 of 67 ---
The religion bud_zor_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 21 of 67 ---
The religion confucian has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 22 of 67 ---
The religion gurzil has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 23 of 67 ---
The religion hindu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 24 of 67 ---
The religion horus_re has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 25 of 67 ---
The religion imana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 26 of 67 ---
The religion indoh_bud has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 27 of 67 ---
The religion indoh_confucian has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 28 of 67 ---
The religion indoh_hindu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 29 of 67 ---
The religion indoh_zor has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 30 of 67 ---
The religion indohelen has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 31 of 67 ---
The religion indohelen_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 32 of 67 ---
The religion isis has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 33 of 67 ---
The religion isis_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 34 of 67 ---
The religion jain has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 35 of 67 ---
The religion jud_zion has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 36 of 67 ---
The religion kintu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 37 of 67 ---
The religion kubera has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 38 of 67 ---
The religion kubera_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 39 of 67 ---
The religion lubu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 40 of 67 ---
The religion lubu_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 41 of 67 ---
The religion makonde_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 42 of 67 ---
The religion mande_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 43 of 67 ---
The religion murugan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 44 of 67 ---
The religion murugan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 45 of 67 ---
The religion mwari has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 46 of 67 ---
The religion nasrani has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 47 of 67 ---
The religion nasrani_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 48 of 67 ---
The religion nyakalagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 49 of 67 ---
The religion nyame has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 50 of 67 ---
The religion nyasaye has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 51 of 67 ---
The religion nyau has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 52 of 67 ---
The religion saura has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 53 of 67 ---
The religion saura_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 54 of 67 ---
The religion serer_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 55 of 67 ---
The religion set has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 56 of 67 ---
The religion set_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 57 of 67 ---
The religion tao has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 58 of 67 ---
The religion tao_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 59 of 67 ---
The religion tengri_bud_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 60 of 67 ---
The religion vidharma has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 61 of 67 ---
The religion vidharma_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 62 of 67 ---
The religion yoruba has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 63 of 67 ---
The religion zal has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 64 of 67 ---
The religion zande_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 65 of 67 ---
The religion zande_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 66 of 67 ---
The religion zulu_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 67 of 67 ---
The religion zulu_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
 

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Sparsely populated, true, but that is why the provinces were made bigger; so they could keep the same balance of baronies as the rest of the world without throwing off the balance too much.

Ultimately, those baronies will be reworked so it doesn't really matter if the other castle is replaced or a new one is added. But when they get reworked, I'm going to be very careful about changing holy sites, so it may be best just to make a new title now.
 

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Sparsely populated, true, but that is why the provinces were made bigger;
Altay in particular is not really bigger, otherwise I would not mention the density issue ;)

Anyway, let's go as FG says, and at the least having a HS province get +1 holding kind of makes sense, maybe (although that has never been applied elsewhere / but an idea for the forthcoming holding overhaul...)
 

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OK, changed b_shuonieke back to original name and type, and activated b_kuwei as temple Kutuk Tindu Suu and moved the holy sites into it.
 

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Indo-Hellenic Religious Structure and Holy Sites

That is the one already existing family that probably benefits the most from the Eastern expansion!

Many changes here, the map is entirely re-drawn.

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richvh: please update your SVN before implementation and everything should be fine
 
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Isn't Eusebeian indoh_bud (Indo-Hellenic Buddhism)? What about indoh_confucian? You don't even have a site for #5.
 

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Isn't Eusebeian indoh_bud (Indo-Hellenic Buddhism)? What about indoh_confucian? You don't even have a site for #5.

That may have been a typo on his part. The site for indoh_confucian should be off-map, since it's an emergent religion tied directly to the eastern invaders, and the site can easily be given under their realm once I work them in.
 

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Indohellenic done. Status:
--- Error 1 of 62 ---
The religion amanai has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 2 of 62 ---
The religion amun has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 3 of 62 ---
The religion amun_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 4 of 62 ---
The religion anansi has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 5 of 62 ---
The religion aten has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 6 of 62 ---
The religion aten_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 7 of 62 ---
The religion bantu_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 8 of 62 ---
The religion batembuzi has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 9 of 62 ---
The religion bon has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 10 of 62 ---
The religion bon_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 11 of 62 ---
The religion bud_bahusrutiya has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 12 of 62 ---
The religion bud_mahayana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 13 of 62 ---
The religion bud_pratyeka has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 14 of 62 ---
The religion bud_pureland has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 15 of 62 ---
The religion bud_sthaviravada has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 16 of 62 ---
The religion bud_vajrayana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 17 of 62 ---
The religion bud_zen has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 18 of 62 ---
The religion bud_zen_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 19 of 62 ---
The religion bud_zor has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 20 of 62 ---
The religion bud_zor_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 21 of 62 ---
The religion confucian has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 22 of 62 ---
The religion gurzil has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 23 of 62 ---
The religion hindu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 24 of 62 ---
The religion horus_re has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 25 of 62 ---
The religion imana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 26 of 62 ---
The religion indoh_confucian has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 27 of 62 ---
The religion isis has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 28 of 62 ---
The religion isis_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 29 of 62 ---
The religion jain has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 30 of 62 ---
The religion jud_zion has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 31 of 62 ---
The religion kintu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 32 of 62 ---
The religion kubera has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 33 of 62 ---
The religion kubera_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 34 of 62 ---
The religion lubu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 35 of 62 ---
The religion lubu_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 36 of 62 ---
The religion makonde_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 37 of 62 ---
The religion mande_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 38 of 62 ---
The religion murugan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 39 of 62 ---
The religion murugan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 40 of 62 ---
The religion mwari has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 41 of 62 ---
The religion nasrani has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 42 of 62 ---
The religion nasrani_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 43 of 62 ---
The religion nyakalagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 44 of 62 ---
The religion nyame has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 45 of 62 ---
The religion nyasaye has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 46 of 62 ---
The religion nyau has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 47 of 62 ---
The religion saura has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 48 of 62 ---
The religion saura_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 49 of 62 ---
The religion serer_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 50 of 62 ---
The religion set has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 51 of 62 ---
The religion set_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 52 of 62 ---
The religion tao has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 53 of 62 ---
The religion tao_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 54 of 62 ---
The religion tengri_bud_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 55 of 62 ---
The religion vidharma has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 56 of 62 ---
The religion vidharma_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 57 of 62 ---
The religion yoruba has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 58 of 62 ---
The religion zal has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 59 of 62 ---
The religion zande_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 60 of 62 ---
The religion zande_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 61 of 62 ---
The religion zulu_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 62 of 62 ---
The religion zulu_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
 

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Luwian Religious Structure and Holy Sites

Luwian Holy Sites take into account the new geography of the Galatian region to locate the ruins of Hattushash; other HS also better take into account the way Luwian faith evolved under Leo III in LI, as opposed to a purely archaic hittite religion.

Note: I also adjusted the Eosphorist HS to be centered on the Galate capital Travium, now hosting both the Eosphorist and the Luwian HS (Hattushash). Map in the thread and game file revised accordingly.

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