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Germanic Religious Structure and Holy Sites

 

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Germanic, Norse and Finnic holy sites encoded.
Current status:
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The religion amanai has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 2 of 78 ---
The religion amun has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 3 of 78 ---
The religion amun_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 4 of 78 ---
The religion anansi has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 5 of 78 ---
The religion aten has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 6 of 78 ---
The religion aten_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 7 of 78 ---
The religion bantu_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 8 of 78 ---
The religion batembuzi has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 9 of 78 ---
The religion bon has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 10 of 78 ---
The religion bon_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 11 of 78 ---
The religion bud_bahusrutiya has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 12 of 78 ---
The religion bud_mahayana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 13 of 78 ---
The religion bud_pratyeka has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 14 of 78 ---
The religion bud_pureland has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 15 of 78 ---
The religion bud_sthaviravada has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 16 of 78 ---
The religion bud_vajrayana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 17 of 78 ---
The religion bud_zen has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 18 of 78 ---
The religion bud_zen_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 19 of 78 ---
The religion bud_zor has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 20 of 78 ---
The religion bud_zor_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 21 of 78 ---
The religion chumbylat has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 22 of 78 ---
The religion chumbylat_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 23 of 78 ---
The religion confucian has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 24 of 78 ---
The religion erlik has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 25 of 78 ---
The religion erlik_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 26 of 78 ---
The religion gurzil has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 27 of 78 ---
The religion hindu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 28 of 78 ---
The religion horus_re has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 29 of 78 ---
The religion imana has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 30 of 78 ---
The religion indoh_bud has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 31 of 78 ---
The religion indoh_confucian has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 32 of 78 ---
The religion indoh_hindu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 33 of 78 ---
The religion indoh_zor has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 34 of 78 ---
The religion indohelen has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 35 of 78 ---
The religion indohelen_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 36 of 78 ---
The religion isis has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 37 of 78 ---
The religion isis_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 38 of 78 ---
The religion jain has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 39 of 78 ---
The religion jud_zion has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 40 of 78 ---
The religion kintu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 41 of 78 ---
The religion kubera has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 42 of 78 ---
The religion kubera_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 43 of 78 ---
The religion lubu has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 44 of 78 ---
The religion lubu_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 45 of 78 ---
The religion makonde_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 46 of 78 ---
The religion mande_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 47 of 78 ---
The religion murugan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 48 of 78 ---
The religion murugan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 49 of 78 ---
The religion mwari has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 50 of 78 ---
The religion nasrani has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 51 of 78 ---
The religion nasrani_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 52 of 78 ---
The religion nyakalagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 53 of 78 ---
The religion nyame has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 54 of 78 ---
The religion nyasaye has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 55 of 78 ---
The religion nyau has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 56 of 78 ---
The religion saura has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 57 of 78 ---
The religion saura_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 58 of 78 ---
The religion serer_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 59 of 78 ---
The religion set has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 60 of 78 ---
The religion set_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 61 of 78 ---
The religion tao has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 62 of 78 ---
The religion tao_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 63 of 78 ---
The religion tengri_ahriman has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 64 of 78 ---
The religion tengri_bud has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 65 of 78 ---
The religion tengri_bud_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 66 of 78 ---
The religion tengri_mani has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 67 of 78 ---
The religion tengri_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 68 of 78 ---
The religion tengri_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 69 of 78 ---
The religion tengri_rod has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 70 of 78 ---
The religion vattisenyaly has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 71 of 78 ---
The religion vattisenyaly_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 72 of 78 ---
The religion vidharma has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 73 of 78 ---
The religion vidharma_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 74 of 78 ---
The religion yoruba has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 75 of 78 ---
The religion zande_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 76 of 78 ---
The religion zande_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 77 of 78 ---
The religion zulu_pagan has 4 holy sites, not 5.
--- Error 78 of 78 ---
The religion zulu_pagan_reformed has 4 holy sites, not 5.
 

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Beelshameni, and possibly other religions that get the same festival, need an EVIL_GOD_NAME, or the festival event needs to be rewritten.
 

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A lot of religions are missing evil gods... everything down from mand_group actually. I should get to that some day.
 

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I would suggest Mawt , death personified, for all Semitic religions

By "all Semitic religions" you mean Canaanite, Arabic (but not Islamic, which would use Shaytan) and maybe Mesopotamian? (Not sure of Mesopotamian, as some cultures in Mesopotamia were Semitic, like Akkadians, and some weren't, like Sumerians.)
 

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Speaking of evil deity names, we really should pay more attention to actually try to use evil beings, not rejected or feared concepts that aren't seen as embodiments. For example, raga and tamha in Buddhism are not beings or demiurges, they're seen as byproducts of the human condition and, while the goal is to avoid and shed these innate behaviors, they shouldn't seen in the same light as Satan or any other evil being who wields power and fear over the populace. The same goes for other examples throughout the religions, like "the flesh", "chaos", "ignorance", etc.
 

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OK, I gave evil_god_names = GOD_MAWT to all Palymran Pagan group religions, for those lacking a scripture_name I assigned THE_LEGENDS, and for those lacking god_names I assigned GOD_BAAL. I also reactivated reforming for hadad and kothar, since they have holy sites assigned now.
 

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Speaking of evil deity names, we really should pay more attention to actually try to use evil beings, not rejected or feared concepts that aren't seen as embodiments. For example, raga and tamha in Buddhism are not beings or demiurges, they're seen as byproducts of the human condition and, while the goal is to avoid and shed these innate behaviors, they shouldn't seen in the same light as Satan or any other evil being who wields power and fear over the populace. The same goes for other examples throughout the religions, like "the flesh", "chaos", "ignorance", etc.

Except that most of the time those evil beings are metaphors for the rejected and feared concepts (except bogeyman examples, like the Arabian Ghul)... one of the meanings of Angra Mainyu is "evil thought".... while Angra Mainyu is interpreted as a "being" (for a simple description of some sort) in the Avesta, it's quite literally a metaphor for everything Zoroastrianism stands against.

Besides, after coming up with 200 versions of the name of an evil being or very obscure/absurd examples of them (I don't even remember why I added the White Rider of Conquest as an "evil god" for Franciscanism), I just opted for removing the middle man and having some of those concepts as the evils themselves.


Anyway, the Evil God entries have very little impact in-game, unless you reference them on localisations like I did, they won't even show up anywhere.
 

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Rich, am I to assume that you've taken over the holy site implementation?
 

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Yes, can you clean up the duplicate baronies?
 

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I changed the whole map of Finnic Holy Sites. See the new version in the revised original post. Sorry richvh :eek:o

Rationale: on second thought, I had been a) lazy in not using the new map's features, and b)overboard in my lore based approach.

a) Originally, the old map did not let us differenciate too much between the thre variants of Finnic religions, so they were all together. Now we can introduce a more refined spiritual geography.

b) Had you noticed, in the previous version, how much Finnic HSs were oriented eastward? There was a good reason for that. Finns are a "Finno-Ugrian" people who migrated from the East. Cultures and religions often keep memory of events happened long ago, see how Istanbul Sefarads still long for Iberia in their folk songs, not to mention Judaism. So in my view, the spirituality of the Finnic people keeps trace of its long-past migration from wherever they came originally, somewhere East, and a Finnic conqueror would have to make the legend come true and reunite the mythic motherland. I still believe in this approach, but I had gone too far, neglecting the fact that the religion had had time to develop locally as well. One HS in Perym is enough to bring this flavor.
 

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Could you identify for me the barony tag for the Ostra Aros holy site? My searches aren't turning it up.