Lost the title "Defender of the Faith"!!!

[Reuel]

I blew 1k gold into getting Defender of the Faith in my war against the Ottoman Empire and a few years later with almost all Ottoman territories conquered I noticed that I no longer had the title. There was no notification!!! That needs to be changed.

The patch notes say I can lose the title by losing a war.

How do I lose a war? I was winning every battle and signed no treaties except a peace treaty that forced Vassalization on a one-province country.

 

[unmerged(37697)]

Are you sure the Turks were the alliance leader? Perhaps you made peace with a smaller country, which was in fact the alliance leader (therefore, you made peace with the Turks).

 

[Reuel]

Yes...it was a separate war. I declared on a one province country and vassalized them.

 

[Reuel]

It must have been a bug. Nothing a quick hack of the save game file couldn't fix.

 

[unmerged(27106)]

I've noticed in the chronology of monarchs that the game doesn't consider vassalization to be a victory...

 

[unmerged(46403)]

I've noticed in the chronology of monarchs that the game doesn't consider vassalization to be a victory...

Has it been reported as a bug?

 

[JaxomCA]

If it works the same way as in EU2, you need to get some ducats in the peace treaty to "win" the war.

 

[Reuel]

ohh...that would explain it! Thank you guys!

 

[Darkrenown]

I've noticed in the chronology of monarchs that the game doesn't consider vassalization to be a victory...

Ah, that explains those lost wars reported there.

 

[whosthebestcop]

If you demand terms then is should not count as a loss. Demanding someone to become a vassal is not losing it just happens to be what you demanded.

If you settle for white peace or offer tribute then that should count as a loss. In my opinion anything else should be considered a bug and not WAD.

If it is WAD then it is stupid. Unless I am missing something.

 

[LaBretonniere]

If the option of Vassalization is accepted by an enemy under the make peace choice of 'Make Demands', then that should count as a Victory for game conditions such as Defender of the Faith and the chronology of monarchs.

I mean, considering what forced vassalization gives the winner in the latest version of the game (defeated nation becomes vassal = 1/2 tax revenue goes to new liege, automatically will accept Join Alliance offer by liege, etc), it's clearly not a draw or defeat for the nation making the demands.

Could someone please post a Bug Report regarding this if the system as it stands considers a purely vassalization offer for demands not a victory?

 

[Darkrenown]

Well I just did a test: loaded as Austria, cheated for some cash, became defender, dowed salzburg and force vassalised them. My title stayed. So vassalisation doesn't seem to be the cause.

 

[Phoenix Dace]

In my opinion, the following system should be used to decide the victor of a war, if it si not already:

If you propose and they accept a peace where you issue demands, or accept a peace in which they offer concessions, you have won.

If you propose and they accept a peace where you offer concessions, or accept a peace in which they issue demands, you have lost.

If they declare war on you and you sign a white peace, you have won.

If you declare war on them and you sign a white peace, you have lost.