Lost "Permanent" Cause Belli on Pagan Nations

[donagel]

Not sure if this is a bug or the result of some decision i made. As England, I completed the Exploration Ideas Idea and giving me the "Permanent Cause Belli against Pagans." I used it once or twice. I decided to go on the warpath again, but now it seems I do not have it anymore. The various American Indian tribes are still pagan (tolemic,etc). I did switch to reformed.

Is this a bug or something that can be explained?

 

[Ultrix Prime]

Not sure if this is a bug or the result of some decision i made. As England, I completed the Exploration Ideas Idea and giving me the "Permanent Cause Belli against Pagans." I used it once or twice. I decided to go on the warpath again, but now it seems I do not have it anymore. The various American Indian tribes are still pagan (tolemic,etc). I did switch to reformed.

Is this a bug or something that can be explained?

Make sure and check that they aren't:

1) westernized
2) a protectorate of another nation

Either of the above and probably a few other scenarios will remove this CB because it requires that they be both pagan as well as backward, as I recall. If they're western tech, they aren't backward any more and if they're a protectorate of spain or some such, for instance, they aren't considered backward any more - at least that's what I recall from my last game taking explo ideas and stomping around NA.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The CB does not disappear on westernized pagans, even though that's kind of asinine lol. In practice it doesn't matter much though.

 

[donagel]

No the Native American are not a protectorate, no western allies, and not in western tech group.....

 

[atwix]

maybe the ai thinks you aren't superior enough anymore when you switched to protestant?

No clue, this sounds like a bug. Pretty sure England could declare on pagans before patch even as protestant, after completing exploration. But not 100% sure.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

maybe the ai thinks you aren't superior enough anymore when you switched to protestant?

No clue, this sounds like a bug. Pretty sure England could declare on pagans before patch even as protestant, after completing exploration. But not 100% sure.

You can declare war using exploration's "heathen primitives" CB as an animist.

His target is probably a subject nation of some kind or wound up as not pagan somehow.

 

[atwix]

I doubt thats the case. He said he lost the cb after switching to protestant.

 

[donagel]

Im reformed, the tribe i question I believie was tolemic. Their diplomacy screen is blank.