Loss of prestige through negotiations?

[unmerged(88900)]

I have successfully obtained all of Lombardia as Venetia, using no force, and only swapping technology for the provinces. In addition, I've funded myself selling off old technologies, to archaic countries, such as Mexico (20,000 for five techs). For all this good behaviour, I've gone from about 22 prestige, to minus that, and slipped from 23rd in the world, to 56th.

I cannot fathom why. Is it considered rude to sell technologies for monetary or land gains?

 

[unmerged(81390)]

You'll be considered weak if you need to sell tech for money, however, the country you sell to will of course be happy!

 

[ohms_law]

Yup. If you trade tech, you must receive as much tech or land in return for what you're giving up. Otherwise there's a -30 prestige hit for each tech that isn't balanced.

Note that you can receive a tech and money without the penalty, you just need at least a 1:1 ration for each tech you're giving away.

 

[unmerged(81390)]

I thought it was -10

 

[unmerged(88900)]

Is there any indication of what is a balanced trade? Or is it judged by eye?

 

[unmerged(81390)]

1 tech OR province for 1 tech OR province is balanced.

5 techs OR provinces for 5 techs OR provinces is balanced.

3 techs OR provinces for 3 techs OR provinces is balanced.

 

[Eärendil]

I thought it was -10

Yeah, it's -10.

 

[Orm]

I thought it was -10

I think you thought right.

Is there any indication of what is a balanced trade? Or is it judged by eye?

Tech for tech, tech for province (I'm a bit uncertain if tech for claim is considered balanced ), is fine, tech for money is not.

 

[Orm]

1 tech OR province for 1 tech OR province is balanced.

5 techs OR provinces for 5 techs OR provinces is balanced.

3 techs OR provinces for 3 techs OR provinces is balanced.

If I sell a province for money, is that -10 prestige? I don't think I ever did that.

 

[unmerged(88900)]

Hah, I didn't think it was a simple as the aforementioned 1:1 ratio. But thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[Eärendil]

If I sell a province for money, is that -10 prestige? I don't think I ever did that.

AFAIK you don't get the prestige penalty when selling provinces.

 

[unmerged(81390)]

Hah, I didn't think it was a simple as the aforementioned 1:1 ratio. But thanks for clearing that up for me.

Sell a crappy one for a kick-ass one

 

[unmerged(88900)]

From what I've observed, it's very difficult to make a 1:1 trade. I've been successful doing 2 techs for 1 province. I have added money into the deal to tip me over 80%. It hasn't cropped up that Austria will take a fair trade.

 

[Eärendil]

When it comes to techs, it's very easy to make 1:1 deals. If you have close to +150 relations and a low BB, they will usually always agree to a 1:1 tech deal. If you have higher relations than that they will usually offer you money plus a tech for each tech.

When it comes to provinces, the AI value provinces with their national cultures very highly. For example when playing as Wallachia I could trade one Egyptian province for 5 Ottoman European provinces just because the Egyptian province had their national culture.

 

[unmerged(88900)]

The only option for me on the table is, techs for provinces. I'm not in the business of gaining technology, I'm trying to form a Venetian Republic here!

 

[Orm]

From what I've observed, it's very difficult to make a 1:1 trade. I've been successful doing 2 techs for 1 province. I have added money into the deal to tip me over 80%. It hasn't cropped up that Austria will take a fair trade.

Relation values have a great impact. The higher, the better.

 

[unmerged(88900)]

Would make sense. I'm going to start another game, and see how that goes. +200 should be perfect relations with which to gain land.

 

[Dysken]

Tech for tech and money works. You just have to cram up the relations.

 

[ohms_law]

Yea, -10. My bad...

Anyway, good luck with land acquisitions. For provinces without majority national cultures, the AI expects 100's of thousands of pounds. It doesn't even listen to offers for provinces with majority national culture or that it owns a core on, as far as I can tell.

As a test, use the "money" cheat a bunch of times, and try purchasing a Provence from your friendliest ally. That'll give you a good idea of what you need to do to actually pull it off.

 

[unmerged(88900)]

As I said, I managed to get all of Lombardia, plus another province, all without trouble.

The main concern however, is the loss of prestige, and how to prevent that.

The deals I made were lopsided somewhat; 2 techs for the 1 province, with perhaps a few £1000's thrown in, or usually just the 2 techs for the 1 province.