Loss of Emperor trait

[Bakenellan]

My king got Emperor trait, but then lost it in a few years. "You secular power has dwindled..." or something. What's strange is that his power has grown if anything. He's got additional crown (eight in total), his demesne is larger, his prestige, piety all have grown. No heresy, duress or excommunication. I've found the event, but conditions should not have been met - it's less then 5 crowns and 10 dukes. Is there something I've missed?

Hmm... maybe I got punished for not having Germany and Burgundy? I have only Italy and original event fired for quantity and not quality

 

[TempestDK]

My king got Emperor trait, but then lost it in a few years. "You secular power has dwindled..." or something. What's strange is that his power has grown if anything. He's got additional crown (eight in total), his demesne is larger, his prestige, piety all have grown. No heresy, duress or excommunication. I've found the event, but conditions should not have been met - it's less then 5 crowns and 10 dukes. Is there something I've missed?

Hmm... maybe I got punished for not having Germany and Burgundy? I have only Italy and original event fired for quantity and not quality

I can't remember all the various conditions, but I know you are not punished for not having Germany and burgundy. It is either Germany/Burgundy/Italy or any 5 other king titles.

Maybe you gained to Modest trait?? .. or lost stability

 

[Bakenellan]

I can't remember all the various conditions, but I know you are not punished for not having Germany and burgundy. It is either Germany/Burgundy/Italy or any 5 other king titles.

Maybe you gained to Modest trait?? .. or lost stability

Well, stability gone from 3 to 2 because of greedy Church Still should be enough. But I have to see if he become modest - don't have the game right now. He's got a lot of traits so it's easy to miss. And I'll look for event again then. Should have done that before posting o

 

[TempestDK]

character_event = { # The Pope has offered you an imperial crown.
	id = 6301

	picture = "event_claim"

	trigger = {
		condition = { type = kingdom }
		condition = { type = religion value = catholic }
		condition = { type = prestige value = 500 }
		condition = { type = gold value = 500 }
		condition = { type = piety value = 100 }
		condition = { type = age value = 16 }
		condition = { type = gender value = male }
		condition = { type = stability value = 0 }
		condition = { type = not value = { type = trait value = emperor } }
		condition = { type = not value = { type = trait value = excommunicated } }
		condition = { type = not value = { type = trait value = heretic } }
		condition = { type = not value = { type = trait value = realm_duress } }
		condition = { type = not value = { type = trait value = modest } }
		condition = { type = exists value = PAPA }
		condition = { type = form_of_goverment value = feudal } # Kings become Emperors
		condition = { type = or
			condition = { type = papacy }
			condition = { type = papacy_csc condition = { type = relation value = 100 } }
		}
		condition = { type = or
			condition = { type = num_king_titles value = 5 } # To allow ahistorical empires for really successful players
			condition = { type = and
				condition = { type = title value = GERM }
				condition = { type = title value = BURG }
				condition = { type = title value = ITAL }
			} # HRE
		}
		condition = { type = num_duke_vassals value = 10 } # Substance for the empire
	}

I am not sure if the same conditions exists (just in reverse) in the loss of the title again .. but I would expect it to be very similar

 

[Bakenellan]

Here's the event.

character_event = { # Your secular power shrunk so badly that nobody recognises your imperial title anymore.
	id = 6302

	picture = "event_claim"

	trigger = {
		condition = { type = trait value = emperor }
		condition = { type = not value = { type = trait value = realm_duress } } # Allows to fight civil wars to their conclusion
		condition = { type = or
			condition = { type = not value = { type = kingdom } } # Losing all king titles
			condition = { type = and
				condition = { type = not value = { type = num_king_titles value = 5 } }
				condition = { type = not value = { type = num_duke_vassals value = 10 } }
				condition = { type = not
					value = { type = and
						condition = { type = title value = GERM }
						condition = { type = title value = BURG }
						condition = { type = title value = ITAL }
					}
				}
			} # Going below both minimum required king titles AND duke vassals
			condition = { type = or
				condition = { type = and
					condition = { type = not value = { type = num_king_titles value = 3 } } # Only 1-2 king titles left
					condition = { type = not value = { type = title value = GERM } } # Special case handled below
				}
				condition = { type = not value = { type = num_duke_vassals value = 5 } } # Less then 5 duke vassals left
				condition = { type = not
					value = { type = or
						condition = { type = and
							condition = { type = title value = GERM }
							condition = { type = title value = BURG }
						}
						condition = { type = and
							condition = { type = title value = GERM }
							condition = { type = title value = ITAL }
						}
					}
				} # 2 king titles are ok, if it is Germany combined with another HRE-title
			} # Going too far below in either duke vassals OR king titles
		}
	}

Should not have worked. But I just had another emperor suffer the same fate

Edit: Waait a minute. I returned to older save and triggered event from console. It gives the chance as 1 in 12456.29 days i.e. possible. But how?
I'm playing DV2.1b BTW.

 

[sjones25]

Ok, I'm not 100% sure of how to read CK events, but it looks to me that the line

condition = { type = not value = { type = num_king_titles value = 5 } }

is saying that you have to have exactly 5 king titles to keep this condition from being met, so if you had 6 king titles, the condition would be met, and the event could trigger.

Or I might just be reading it wrong...

 

[Bakenellan]

Event scripting in paradox games is somewhat arcane

But, I think "=" is actually ">=" otherwise granting of the title should not have triggered at the first place. I've already had 7 king titles then. And 8 at second time.

Still the game definitely reading this events differently from what I think

 

[kristoff]

Sorry, but in which file exactly I can find events for getting and loosing imperial crown?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Sorry, but in which file exactly I can find events for getting and loosing imperial crown?

In C:\....\Paradox Entertainment\Crusader Kings\db\events\realm_disruptions_events.txt