Losing war on a ridiculous way

[Sybrand99]

So this is happening to me two games on a row now...

I am playing Granada, won the first war against Castille, and they attacked for the second time. My allies are Morocco, Tunis, Mzab and Brittany. It is a tough war, but I managed to peace out Portugal, and then the ridiculous thing happens. Tunis, Mzab and Morocco get exiled armies because they were in Portugal, and they decide to not pass the straits of Gibraltar (not blockaded or something at the moment of peace), but to walk around the complete Mediterannean! Without their armies, I will lose the war.

 

[Sfan]

You should probably make a bug report and attach the save file. I doubt this is intended AI design even if it is not a straight out bug.

 

[Dominion]

Movement commands are being given once, then carried out.

The strait was blocked at one point while they were trying to retreat. They gave the command to run around and never re-evaluated the situation.

Feel free to throw a thread into our bug section. As of now it's intended behavior. Fingers crossed they'll improve on it.

 

[R.Graymarch]

Looks like the devs love Jules Verne and Kéraban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kéraban_the_Inflexible
Except Kéraban just did the tour of the Black Sea. Amateur!

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

The AI at its best

 

[Brynjar]

Looks like a player mistake, peacing out at the wrong time. That said, the AI seems to be having problems with handling straight crossings after 1.23.

 

[Stadhouder]

Next time, transfer occupation from a fortless province you don't wanna take like Galicia to them before you peace out, so they can get back in the fight without having to walk to their homeland.

 

[Brynjar]

Next time, transfer occupation from a fortless province you don't wanna take like Galicia to them before you peace out, so they can get back in the fight without having to walk to their homeland.

That would require him to actually have 3 (in this case) Castilean/Aragonese provinces, which he isn't.

 

[atwix]

but I managed to peace out Portugal, and then the ridiculous thing happens. Tunis, Mzab and Morocco get exiled armies because they were in Portugal

shot yourself in the foot there.

No bug, exiled armies can NOT cross blockaded straits.

 

[Stadhouder]

That would require him to actually have 3 (in this case) Castilean/Aragonese provinces, which he isn't.

Not it the screenshot no. But it just takes 3 lonely regiments one month take care of that. He says two games in a row. I made the mistake of exiling my allies when I needed them the most once.There are solutions if you plan ahead before you sign the peace.

 

[Sybrand99]

I had no other choice than making peace, because a Portugese/Castillian doomstack was heading to Lisbon. I knew that I took a great risk (because the previous game it also went wrong) but if I didn't make peace, I wouldn't even have a chance to make peace with Portugal.

 

[Quaade]

There are not mil-acces through Portugal, likely because it was in the same war so not needed and haven´t been granted yet since Castille likely won´t ask and none of your allies can ask since Portugal will refuse (perhaps Britanny can get it). However, this is something you should have thought about... It sounds harsh, but that´s how game works currently...

A small workaround... If you let control of a province into them, they can lift exile... Not sure if AI recoignize this as an option, but worth a try I guess?

 

[Quaade]

No bug, exiled armies can NOT cross blockaded straits.

What if blockaded doesn´t take effect?... Like both sides are controlled?... Can´t recall if mil-access also negates blockade, but as I see it a major issue here was the no mil-access and peacing out Portugal too soon with allies in those lands

 

[RowingAce]

What I have been wondering: Why can't allies "unexile" in each others territory during a war.
I think it's also strange that I can "unexile" in my subjects territory but not vice versa. Makes accepting seperate peace deals a long way from my subjects home quite annoying cause they run all the way home before they can fight again ...

 

[Brynjar]

What if blockaded doesn´t take effect?... Like both sides are controlled?... Can´t recall if mil-access also negates blockade, but as I see it a major issue here was the no mil-access and peacing out Portugal too soon with allies in those lands

Military access doesn't negate blockade. Even if it was Morocco owning Ceuta they would still be black flagged because Ceuta and Gibraltar needs to be controlled by the same tag, not just the same alliance. Military access would however solve the problem, since the armies wouldn't be black flagged in the first place.

Edit mixed Ceuta and Cadiz...

 

[atwix]

I had no other choice than making peace, because a Portugese/Castillian doomstack was heading to Lisbon. I knew that I took a great risk (because the previous game it also went wrong) but if I didn't make peace, I wouldn't even have a chance to make peace with Portugal.

next time transfer occupied provinces to your allies across straitn they can unblackflag on occupied stuff in their name, provided they can reach it.