Losing Money

[JonnyA]

The production window tells me that I am losing about $30 per day due to 'trade'. However, I have ticked the box in the trade window that should prevent me from exporting money. I presume this box means that the AI will only make trades for me where I get paid in $ or it is a barter deal.

So why am I losing money in this way?

 

[Blecky]

The production window tells me that I am losing about $30 per day due to 'trade'. However, I have ticked the box in the trade window that should prevent me from exporting money. I presume this box means that the AI will only make trades for me where I get paid in $ or it is a barter deal.

So why am I losing money in this way?

Auto trade didn´t work properly in the earlier versions. I thought it was fixed in 1.04 though.

 

[DarkSoul1984]

The production window tells me that I am losing about $30 per day due to 'trade'. However, I have ticked the box in the trade window that should prevent me from exporting money. I presume this box means that the AI will only make trades for me where I get paid in $ or it is a barter deal.

So why am I losing money in this way?

So, you running espionage? And can you go ahead and tally the amount of money you are spending on active trades?

 

[Iberville]

Seems money is a prime export in my games. I wonder if it matters that you set some import priorities - you know, if to have a certain import level will override the 'do not export' list?

 

[Dunno1987]

If you don't have anything else then money to trade with, the AI will use money despite you blocking it. Supplies isn't worth trading in AOD, they reduced the value and/or made the AI decline huge supplyoffers.

Try reducing spending somehow... If you are at peace, reduce military salaries by half. And reduce research spending to 80% or so, will save you HUGE amounts of money for very little consequence. Research speed vs cost is not liniar, 100% research means you are focusing all your nations assets on research, nothing else. Reduce it to 80%, and you are only using 60% of your nation assets on research. Tiny difference in research speed, massive in cost (compared).

 

[chalbersma]

If you don't have anything else then money to trade with, the AI will use money despite you blocking it. Supplies isn't worth trading in AOD, they reduced the value and/or made the AI decline huge supplyoffers.

Try reducing spending somehow... If you are at peace, reduce military salaries by half. And reduce research spending to 80% or so, will save you HUGE amounts of money for very little consequence. Research speed vs cost is not liniar, 100% research means you are focusing all your nations assets on research, nothing else. Reduce it to 80%, and you are only using 60% of your nation assets on research. Tiny difference in research speed, massive in cost (compared).

That depends on the country. If you have great tech teams like germany this works great. But if you have shitty tech teams you need that 100% to stay in the game.

 

[DarkSoul1984]

Realistically, even playing as Germany, keep your research teams running at 100%. Money is very quickly stockpiled, but is of limited value, especially when playing as Germany or Japan. Those two countries will find themselves at war with the whole world eventually and your IC is better spent producing CG to balance out your money and maximize your productivity than it is hoarding money to run intelligence.

 

[DarkSoul1984]

Seems money is a prime export in my games. I wonder if it matters that you set some import priorities - you know, if to have a certain import level will override the 'do not export' list?

Money is the prime commodity in trading. That is WAD. Even if he has checked the do not export box, that does not make any sense really. The options are to import money or export money for trades. You need to have both checked, but even this is not efficient. I never use the trade ai.

 

[JonnyA]

I am already restricting money spent on research, and the espionage slider is set to 2.5.

The question is not about my overall budget, just the information shown when I hover the mouse pointer over the money slider, that it says I am losing money every day by trading.

If I only have money to trade with, I would rather not trade at all as I have plenty of resources in stock. I don't undertand what the tick boxes are for if they don't work as advertised. Is there any other way to stop this?

 

[Rocket88]

says I am losing money every day by trading.

I think 'losing' just means you are paying for resources from other nations. Have you looked at the trade screen - it will show all your current trades. If you feel you have enough resources stockpiled then cancel the trades. If you are using the automated trading feature then blocking the import of some/all the resources after you've cancelled trades should improve your cash flow!

 

[JonnyA]

I have checked and was buying metal from Sweden for cash even with the box ticked. I have submitted a bug report. I manually cancelled my trades and it is now OK.

 

[Dunno1987]

It is working as designed...

If you have nothing else to trade away, the autotrader will use money. Supplies are horrible to trade now, according to a dev diary or something. So if you want metal, and Sweden don't want your energy, you have to give them money. Either that, or give them supplies manually, though don't expect to get any good deals that way.

So, it's not a bug, it's WAD.

 

[JonnyA]

But what is the point in having the box there to tick if it doesn't do what it says? Or call it 'only trade money if there is nothing else to trade'.

 

[Dunno1987]

When you tick it, the AI will try to avoid trading away money, but if it can't avoid it, it will do it. If you forced the AI to not use what you ticked, you can imagine the amount of posts about broken trade AI from people who ticked off everything except maybe supplies, which noone want to buy...

Lennardos, one of the developers, gave you a nice answer in your bug thread btw.

 

[JonnyA]

I saw the bug thread answer, thanks.

I realise the Devs know a lot more about playing the game and how it runs than I do, and I appreciate their answers. But I didn't 'force the AI to not use what I had ticked', I had a huge stock of metal, and had ticked the 'don't export money' box, but the AI still set up a trade buying metal from Sweden for cash.

Even if I was running a deficit of metal, I still don't want the AI to export money. The deficit is for me to worry about, not the AI. Maybe I am happy to run a deficit in metal for a while because I have a large stockpile and need the cash for other things.

 

[DarkSoul1984]

Then turn off the trade ai.

 

[JonnyA]

I have now, and manually cancelled the trades.

 

[elryacko]

You know, some trades actually are in the game when in begins. A common preexisting trade is Germany and Sweden.