The Smiling Knight
- Oct 10, 2009
Nice, what will you omve to do next?
(Obviously a scripted event, though what triggered it I'm not sure. Historically Erik died in 1359. Skane and Blekinge immediately became mine while Viipuri in Karelia reverted to Sweden. Halland was initially Swedish, but at the beginning of November Sweden 'honored the agreement' which shifted ownership to me. Normally I'm not crazy about scripted events: It's useful for teaching history and I didn't mind it so much in EU2, but EU3 is another story. This one is probably necessary though to prevent Sweden from being nerfed.)
Treaty of Stralsund said:1. The member guilds of the Hanseatic League accept complete and sole responsibility for this war.
2. As such, they accept full responsibility for the costs of war, ransom of captured soldiers, and indemnity for those slain.
3. This amount shall be set at 750,000 marks, with two-thirds due to ...Denmark, and the other third to .... Sweden.
4. Payment must be received in one lump sum at Vordingborg, and in the presence of Danish and Swedish officials.
5. The city of Lubeck and environs shall be held by Denmark for a period of not less than fifteen years, or until the terms of Article 4 are met.
6. Until Article 4 is met, the leaders of the Hanseatic League shall be appointed jointly by the Kings of Denmark and Sweden.
7. Until Article 4 is met, ships flying the Hanse flag or any of the League's member states shall suffer a 25% surcharge for passing....(the straits between the North Sea and Baltic)
8. All previous agreements with the Hanseatic League are null and void.
9. The Hanseatic League is expelled from Visby (Gotland) and Stockholm.....League members are prohibited from trading in Scania...
10. Cities who abandon the Hanseatic League will not be subject to Articles 3,4 and 7.
agreed on all these points:Q: Should I release Lubeck as a vassal?
Reasons for doing so:
3. It could be considered gamey going after the richest TC in northern Europe.
4. Valdemar would be reluctant to torque off the Empire when he was raised in Bavaria and the HRE agitated in his favor while trying to take back his kingdom.
5. Vassalage might better model domination of a 'new' League rather than the virtual destruction I wrote above. The HL survived into the 17th c. in our world.
on the other hand:Reasons for keeping Lubeck:
1. they kept several Swedish towns for 15 years.
4. I see Den. as a potential naval and trading power. This helps both and is a reasonable move in that mindset.
5. The Empire is unlikely to do more than admonish me and try to get me to give it back. Any such penalties, increased RR and high infamy are adequate payoff for Lubeck.
Oh, when you mentioned a 'Niels Ebbesen' in the first scene-setting stage, I thought you were pulling our leg (given a more recent Dane with the last name Ebbesen), but if I can trust Wikipedia, he's actually historic. Nice.