Loosing Scandinavian on succession, keeping the title as Fylkir?

[Stoy&Roy]

Hi Guys

I have a simple question that I have tried to find and answer to, but trawling the forum I did not find any information.

Situation is as follows:

Titles held: Emperor of Scandinavia (elective monarchy)
Fylkir of the reformed norse germanic faith
King of Denmark (ultimogeniture)

I have destroyed the kingdoms of Norway and Finland, and I lost Kingdom of Svipjod during succession, before I could change the succession laws.
The kingdom of Svipjod is my vassal though.

What confuses me that there appears to be a difference in who is my heir to the Empire and the heir to the Fylkirate.
The heir to the Empire changes all the time, as the voting Lords seems to change their minds rapidly.

What happens is that I finally die, and the heir to the Empire is not the heir to the Fylkirate, so I loose the Empire to some elected guy, keeps the title of
Fylkir, and my 6 provinces and end up being someones vassal on duke-level.

I thought my Empire of Scandinavia and my Fylkirate would pass on - hand in hand - to the same heir, but apparently it is not so.

Can anyone enlighten me about this rather frustrating situation?

Best regards
Stoy

 

[weegth]

I just tested and it seems fylkirate defaults to primogeniture if heir to primary title is not of your dynasty.

You can also check succession for different titles before anything bad happens by navigating to title screen either from character page or province and hovering over title CoA:

 

[Kumicho]

The Fylkirate is a normal title that's inherited through Agnatic-Cognatic Primogeniture. So you could technically lose the title if your main title is something different. If you are playing Elective in Scandinavia, if a dynasty member (who is not your oldest male child) inherits, you'll play as him/her and lose the Fylkirate title. If the winner is NOT your dynasty member, you'll probably play as the King of Denmark, and lose the Fylkirate title, which will go to your oldest son. Keep in mind that you might lose parts of your demesne as well, as one of the only times I lost an election I also lost all of the land outside my primary kingdom (the tiny kingdom of Leon). So I was down to one county that I owned outright, and another county that was my vassal. That was it after losing the election for Hispania.

You should be able to hover over the "title loss on succession" button at the top and see what titles you'll lose on succession, but my advice? DON'T LOSE THE ELECTION! Or possibly try destroying the Kingdom of Denmark? Beyond that I have no clue, as I don't play Elective anymore. Primo, all the way.

 

[weegth]

No, it's only primo if heir is not of your dynasty. Otherwise it is inherited together with primary title, no matter what succession law is.

 

[Stoy&Roy]

Thank you guys!

Kumicho,
I would love to change to Primo, but my low crown authority and fighting vassals makes the shift impossible as it is right now.

I guess that is the reason why I love this game...

 

[Kumicho]

Thank you guys!

Kumicho,
I would love to change to Primo, but my low crown authority and fighting vassals makes the shift impossible as it is right now.

I guess that is the reason why I love this game...

I used to play Elective, then Gavelkind for a while, and now I almost solely play Primo, and basically start working towards it as soon as I start playing. Only dynasty members get landed, and try to get to Primo before you start creating higher-level titles. And additional title you create after that is automatically Primo.

I'll even delay creating a king-level title if it means I can get primogeniture in my duchy for just that reason. Changing succession laws gets hard once you're empire-sized. Once you're bigger than empire size, it's almost impossible, as non-du jure king vassals don't have to abide by your Medium or High CA.

 

[aitaituo]

In Feudal elective, your landed titles (counties and baronies) and your duke tier title have a separate succession law from your king and emperor tier elective titles.

It works like this to prevent you from becoming unlanded if you lose an election.

 

[Stoy&Roy]

Is there any way, where I can choose to inherit the Empire rather than the Fylkirate, so I can keep playing as Emperor of Scandinavia, and then try to retake the
Fylkirate with my new character?

 

[web019]

The same thing just happened to me after I've been playing for almost 500 years ironman mode. Frustrating, as I thought the emperor was the Fylkir by default. But I guess it's a new challenge to hold the Fylkirate and a few counties, and try to be re-elected to Emperor.

 

[Stoy&Roy]

The same thing just happened to me after I've been playing for almost 500 years ironman mode. Frustrating, as I thought the emperor was the Fylkir by default. But I guess it's a new challenge to hold the Fylkirate and a few counties, and try to be re-elected to Emperor.

Did you succeed in retaking the Emperor's throne?

 

[Harassercat]

Wait, isn't the Fylkir the head of the reformed Germanic faith? It is a hereditary title that you can hold and pass on to your heir along with the empire/kingdom/etc? Why would it work that way for Germanic paganism when it doesn't work that way at all for reformed Suomenusko? - And probably the rest of the pagan religions. Because Paradox blatantly favors Scandinavians? I reformed Suomenusko in one of my games and the head of the faith was doomed to be forever a randomly generated lowborn with no way whatsoever to influence that, leaving me frustrated and annoyed with the general lack of gameplay for Suomenusko paganism to the point that I just stopped playing that campaign.

 

[SamuraiLordofWii]

I had the Similar Problem while my Ironman run as Swedish wiking but unlucky i didnt got the Empire Title yet and then my King died while the holy war for Munster and i had Electiv because i tryed to keep my Holdings together and the other option i had was Gravelkind and i didnt want the Ai mess with my Holdings or give them to some other Barons because i kept a close 6 Countrys around the Capital for recruit raid Partys and fight if a civil war happen. I had befor 3 King titles 2 i counqerd while war 1 i creaded then i delete one but forgot the other one and when my King died in that Battle my Realm Split and i ended up as the Drunkenyard old uncel which got the Kingdom of Norway while the son of the King got the Fylkir Title and my Lands and a other Old Baron gain the Kingdom of Sweden which got the Most Parts of the Empire i allready counqert and ofc all my Holdings which i builded up from tribal once :X
So for me it seem the Fylkir was once Primo because it was a pre Conclave game maybe it changed but if you play Electiv dont hold on to many high tier Titles could just fuck you bad if you end up with a Kingdom where the Ai never did anything to Make it better while the Ai can go mess with your Holdings

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

Is there any way, where I can choose to inherit the Empire rather than the Fylkirate, so I can keep playing as Emperor of Scandinavia, and then try to retake the
Fylkirate with my new character?

IIRC The Fylkirate is a King Level title.

You'll be a vassal in Scandinavia. You can just make a faction, and buy favors from other Vassal-Kings, then force them to join the faction. You'll retake the Empire.

The Fylkirate is more important. Don't lose it.

 

[SaphireSeas]

IIRC The Fylkirate is a King Level title.

Ducal level title.

The Fylkirate is more important. Don't lose it.

Indeed. Once you lose a religious head title, can be hard to retake.

It is a hereditary title that you can hold and pass on to your heir along with the empire/kingdom/etc?

Works the same as the Caliph.

Because Paradox blatantly favors Scandinavians?

Quite possibly, but they are a Scandinavian company, so it isn't completely unexpected...

 

[Woifee]

Fylkir is a duke-level title and behaves lime regular duke level titles in elective monarchies.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

So, the Fylkir is a ducal title.

However, the Succession Laws for it differ from the Succession Laws for Scandinavia.

Scandinavia is an elective monarchy, so you can get yourself reelected.
The Fylkirate would require many assassinations of high profile targets. If you mess up on one, the entire Germanic world hates you.


Keep the Fylkirate, and regain Scandinavia.

 

[Harassercat]

Out of curiosity, what are the benefits of being the Fylkir? I suppose your dynasty members get the +2 prestige/month (correct?) from being of the same dynasty as the religious head? Do you get diplomatic options like declaring great holy wars or some kind of excommunication thing? Any opinion modifiers from vassals or other subjects? Piety per month?

It seems a little silly to me that the religious head would be a secular leader who cannot actually hold temples without the wrong government modifier... it's very appropriate for Muslims with Iqta. And I fail to see why the Germanic pagans should have a caliph-type religious head while Suomenusko and other pagans just get open elective random nobodies. I'm Nordic myself (Icelandic) so maybe I should be happy about the pro-Viking bias but really I find that Paradox goes overboard with it; a Norse / reformed Germanic realm is superior in every way to a reformed Suomenusko or Slavic realm of a non-Norse culture.

 

[Tatterhood]

Out of curiosity, what are the benefits of being the Fylkir? I suppose your dynasty members get the +2 prestige/month (correct?) from being of the same dynasty as the religious head? Do you get diplomatic options like declaring great holy wars or some kind of excommunication thing? Any opinion modifiers from vassals or other subjects? Piety per month?

You can declare great holy wars, and you get an opinion bonus with temple holders only. There's no excommunication, nor caliphal subjugation equivalent.

I had assumed the Norse getting a caliph-type leader was because they're "offensive" pagans, but apparently the Aztecs and Tengrists don't, so it does seem slightly odd. And it's definitely a bit silly that the Fylkir can't hold temples, even though there's still a moral authority bonus for the religious head holding a holy site...

 

[Woifee]

Fylker can call great wars after they are activated.

http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Religious_head