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Alright, so I'm playing a game as The Hansa, have a huge coalition against me late game as to be expected in single player.

Vassals:

Gotland, France, Austria, England, Hungary, Cologne, Trier, Bar, Saxony.

Austria was under a PU of Poland for quite a while untill they were eventually integrated, at which point I saw a golden opportunity to release them and feed back their lands. Same with England under Spain. France is a different beast, they were wrecked by Burgundy early to mid game and became a 3PM, another golden opportunity.

Anyway.

I just finish a war with Spain to return all of England's cores, which I succesfully do. I have a truce with them.

http://i.imgur.com/58v05ke.jpg

58v05ke.jpg


They are allied to Poland and a bunch of other inconsequential people. Naturally I don't want to fight Poland and Spain at the same time so I think this is a great chance to attack Poland. I look for Poland's allies outside of the coalition. I find one in Bavaria.

http://i.imgur.com/hKH1hxI.jpg

hKH1hxI.jpg


Naturally, I thought they could not call in Spain because we have a truce with them, in fact, even Poland themselves has a truce with them from an earlier war. (Spain is allied to Bosnia, Poland attacks Bosnia, Spain gets in on Bosnia's side. Truce with Poland and everyone else in that war.) Typically AI they ally back right after that war.

http://i.imgur.com/WhceF6G.jpg

WhceF6G.jpg


Apparently, they still joined? Even though Spain has a truce with me?

Let me get this straight, if I attempted to call in an AI against someone they had a truce with, they'd say no (-1000 would destabilize x nation) or (-1000 has a Truce) or somesuch like that.

The very same situation against the player... just wow.

Am I perhaps missing some obscure coalition mechanic or something? The war does not have any other coalition members in it (Burgundy, a ton of HRE minors, etc).

If this is working as intended, I am seriously considering that Paradox hates their players...
 

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Truces are of no consequence when calling allies to a defensive war. In this instance, since Poland became warleader while defending against you, Spain can ignore its truce with you if Poland asks them to join.
 

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Truces are of no consequence when calling allies to a defensive war. In this instance, since Poland became warleader while defending against you, Spain can ignore its truce with you if Poland asks them to join.

And this is of course the same whether the nations in question are players or AI. No cheating.
 

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Truces are of no consequence when calling allies to a defensive war. In this instance, since Poland became warleader while defending against you, Spain can ignore its truce with you if Poland asks them to join.

This is known thing like from day 0.

from wiki.
http://www.eu4wiki.com/Call_to_arms#Defensive
If war is declared on a nation, it will automatically call on all its allies to come to its defense. Allies who answer a defensive call to arms will not suffer any penalties for breaking a truce, attacking nations they are in a royal marriage with, or have good relations with.
 

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Who cares about that, look on this amazing Europe!

Novogrod > Muscovy

GOTLAND STRONK

WALLACHIA, BOSNIA AND KARAMAN

Austria massacred!

Burgundy is alive!
 

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Who cares about that, look on this amazing Europe!

Novogrod > Muscovy

GOTLAND STRONK

WALLACHIA, BOSNIA AND KARAMAN

Austria massacred!

Burgundy is alive!
Gotland is his vassal, so that doesn't count.
 

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This is known thing like from day 0.

from wiki.
http://www.eu4wiki.com/Call_to_arms#Defensive
If war is declared on a nation, it will automatically call on all its allies to come to its defense. Allies who answer a defensive call to arms will not suffer any penalties for breaking a truce, attacking nations they are in a royal marriage with, or have good relations with.

actually that was changed some patches ago... you could actually truce-block some nations (and pick off all their small allies that way), which was a widely used strategy
 

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actually that was changed some patches ago... you could actually truce-block some nations (and pick off all their small allies that way), which was a widely used strategy

That was just an AI bug, not an actual mechanics change.