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I'll just prepare for the next 8 months as if they will. Otherwise try a limited was on SOV and see whether GER decides to join?
If you really want to make life easy for GER, wait until about 2 months before Barbarossa, then declare a private war on the Soviets. That should put most of the Soviet army in transit between west and east, and in no position to oppose Germany's offensive until they arrive in the Far East, then Strategically Redeploy all the way back to the west again.

Normally, I'd consider that a bad idea, since GER won't be able to encircle and destroy half of the Soviet army on the border, but the AI wouldn't do that anyway, merely push the SOV units back until they recover ORG and move back onto the front lines, repeated ad nauseum until either GER runs out of Manpower or SOV runs out of room to backpedal and GER takes Moscow.
 
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I got bored after pumping out my 12th or so 42 tech carrier. Then my subs ran out of enemy convoys to sink. I was going to strat bomb the UK back into the Cambrian period and watch them try to re-evolve from some echinoderms, but I just invaded them instead. It was easier than waiting to build bombers. Then I noticed the Germans had invaded Norway and done the Kovax maneuver. So, like you did, I helped them out. Then I disabled all messages and just watched for a while. Germany still did not declare on Russia, although by now ( late 1944 ) they had actually moved sizable forces up to the border. So I declared and sat back and did nothing. It was quite interesting watching the ebb and flow zoomed right out. At first it looked like the Germans would roll the Russian, pushing right up to the doorbells of Moscow and Rostov. Then the Russians pushed them all the way back to Smolensk and surrounded an army in the Crimea. They seemed on the verge of taking Bucharest and finishing Romania, "It must be over for them now" I thought. Much to my surprise the fortunes reversed again. Something which I have rarely seen on the Eastern front, both under AI control. It took a while but by 1947 the Germans had won. I guess the Russians ran out of manpower or supplies or something.

Interestingly enough, since I had effectively just become a bystander and let whatever happen, I saw rebels liberate China and Indochina from my sweaty grip. Nat China became Nat China again and lasted about a week before some Italians reclaimed it for me and somehow triggered an event which I had never seen, opening some dams and flooding a couple of provinces, wrecking the infrastructure. How interesting. Indochina actually became Indochina, an independent nation, in a rather sickly shade of green. Never seen that before.

In all that time the USA did not invade one of my Pacific islands, although I left them entirely ungarrisoned. :(
 
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Good call on the Norway predicament. GER had declared war on them but did nothing. I stepped in an took the two victory provinces to avoid any future nonsense.

I am sitting on top of a pile of leadership and manpower so I think I will go for a massive extra Army build up. As Mortal Pheonix points out, there's not much left to be researched for a while. It only seems weird because I have barely touched much of my Army since taking China.

As Kovax thinks that GER will do Barbarossa on schedule, I'll just prepare for the next 8 months as if they will. Otherwise try a limited was on SOV and see whether GER decides to join?
What is the neutrality level of the USA?
 

50shadesofgreen

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What is the neutrality level of the USA?
They joined the Allies and declared war on me in 1939. The USA have a carrier stack roaming the coast of Europe, so although I sneakily took Norway before that appeared, I don't think I will be invading Russia from that direction.
 

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They joined the Allies and declared war on me in 1939. The USA have a carrier stack roaming the coast of Europe, so although I sneakily took Norway before that appeared, I don't think I will be invading Russia from that direction.
1939? Not good. Is it possible to transfer the troops that are in Norway, and transfer them to Finland? Maybe they can help blooster their defenses against the Soviet Union?
 
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50shadesofgreen

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I have nothing left in Norway. I swooped in for the victory locations, did puppet and left. I was only trying to avoid the usual chaos that happens when Germany tries to invade that Kovax described above.

I can't see any prospect of a war on Russia in that direction as it would make my convoys vulnerable to attack. Supporting Finland would make an interesting prospect though. Making the Winter War the main war? I don't recall ever seeing that war last too long? Is it terminated by an event if it's not resolved?
 

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The Winter War can drag on for months or years. In one game I remember, the Soviets triggered the war without anything nearby to actually fight it, and Finland ended up taking Leningrad and the nearby fortified provinces almost unopposed. The Soviets took well over a year to dig them out of their trenches and drive them back into Finnish territory. Normally, however, the Soviets drive back the Finns as soon as the weather clears and movement becomes reasonably possible again.

As for making the Winter War the main event, the problem comes down to war goals, or in one case I recall where AI GER did NOT become the war leader, and the War in the East ended with Finland regaining its lost territory and everyone else getting nothing. That kind of stupidity can be resolved if you're willing to tag switch and set proper ones for Finland and Germany, otherwise the Soviets end up in a couple of scattered pieces after the surrender.
 
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50shadesofgreen

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That seems to have resolved the northern front issues!

I'm left weighing up my additional front being through the Black Sea or through Persia. I like Persia as it's further from the main Russian force concentration. I'm somewhat bothered that taking Persia links India to Egypt and will make everything west draw supply from Bombay. I guess that would mean a limited thrust north into the Soviet oilfields. Black Sea gives lots of supply ports and a little ability to switch lines of attack.