Longbows

[jdrou]

Longbow becomes available (to all western countries) at TL 5. Don't pay too much attention to unit names though; they don't necessarily have anything to do with the unit's actual capability. It's mostly just flavor. Also note that you can't have just a few regiments of "longbow" and the rest "latin midieval infantry"; if you upgrade to longbows all your infantry will upgrade.

 

[unmerged(80402)]

Well you can easily have LT 5 in 1415, and so use longbowmen against french.

 

[cacra]

Technically, longbow was mostly Welsh, not English.

That's not true. It was illegal to do any sports on Sunday except archery which meant English and the Welsh trained with it. Since England had a higher population than Wales there were more English longbowmen then Welsh ones.

 

[unmerged(80402)]

Well pop is not most important, as some nations had more wariors in their ranks while having smaller pop, while other had the opposite.

Plus I suppose as most nobility came from england, not wales(or am i wrong?) there were more cavalry/heavy infantry coming from england, while more archers coming from wales(bow is lot cheaper, and wales were not so rich as england)

 

[cacra]

There was more infantry and calvary from England and by no means was the Welsh contribution to archers insignificant but they were outnubered by the English despite the longbow being invented in wales

 

[unmerged(80402)]

There was more infantry and calvary from England and by no means was the Welsh contribution to archers insignificant but they were outnubered by the English despite the longbow being invented in wales

Still propably their contribution to longbowmen units was propably quite big, compared to their size.

 

[cacra]

Still propably their contribution to longbowmen units was propably quite big, compared to their size.

sure, they did invent it after all!

 

[Conch]

Agincourt wasn't won by Longbowmen, it was won by weather and lack of military skill on the French side.

 

[unmerged(80402)]

Agincourt wasn't won by Longbowmen, it was won by weather and lack of military skill on the French side.

Lol man, think before you write. It was won because of many factors, of which one very important factor WAS use of LONGBOWMEN units.

 

[Zardnaar]

Longbow didn't become obsolete with gunpowder either as they were still in use in the 16th century. It was harder to train up longbowmen and IIRC they had to end up importing the wood for them due to cutting down to many trees to make them. Guns did not match them in range/accuracy/RoF until the 19th century or so.

 

[safferli]

Game topics, please. You can discuss history in the History forums.

 

[Gustave5436]

Not really, the shock modifier is half an equivalent-tech cavalry unit's shock modifier, and the Longbowmen have 2 pips to the Latin Knights' 1, so unless you have access to other tech groups' units, Longbowmen will deal as much damage as Latin Knights will.

2 pips is not x2 the damage of 1 pip. It's additive, not multiplicative. Each pip adds 1 to your unit's effective roll, and a +1 roll advantage will not beat cavalry's x2 shock modifier advantage.