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Minodrin

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Bah, I say that the Byzantines invited the invasion upon themselves with their court intrigue. And I mean that literally. Alexios IV simply couldn't control the forces he had unleashed.
I think something like the sack of Constantinople would have happened anyway. Maybe someone in the Byzantine court would have destroyed their own armies in order to destroy some political opponent. Maybe vital areas would have been surrendered in order to strengthen the relative power of others. Maybe something else; the Byzantine court was simply inviting disaster, while the remaining strength of the empire was wasted on fighting obscure theological squabbles and maintaining an introvert order of monks.
Sometimes a nation wakes up in order to avert incoming disaster. In this case the Greek Empire did not, 4th crusade or no.
 

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The Latin States in Greece only lasted for several decades (or at least the larger ones) and their populations remained Greek and Orthodox. However had the crusaders maintained their states for longer then what would have happened to the Religious and Cultural makeup of the Greeks?
I think nothing would have changed. The Franks were too few vs the Orthodox population. There was no way in hell to change their religion. Cyprus remained for a long time under Frankish control, so nothing significant.
 

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This. The Latin States had done all the damage they could. What the Fourth Crusade really did was enable the Ottoman Empire.
Consulting my sources(Speros Vryonis and Steven Runciman) I'd say the process happened long before that. But I agree the Crusaders sped up the rise of the Turks.
 

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It was a low point in the relationship between the Orthodox East and Catholic West, a relationship which was difficult due to actions from both sides.

Anyway I agree that the Crusaders sped up the decline, but it doesn't mean that the Byzantines didn't contribute to their own decline, on the contrary.
 

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The one interesting what-if would be what happens if the Byzzies manage to hold on long enough for the mongols to show up.
 

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The one interesting what-if would be what happens if the Byzzies manage to hold on long enough for the mongols to show up.
they did. so....