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The ottomans aren't the only weird things in my game.
England and Holstein partitioned Denmark between them.
Ireland was divided by england, eire (one province) and flanders (who also controlled abouta third of germany and the entire netherlands)
Poland consists of One province (the rest were conquered by Prussia) Sweden is almost as large as it was when i played them, Aragon, Spain Cataluyna all exist (in addition to my own Granada of course) Albania is huge, Austria is a 3 province minor....
England and Holstein partitioned Denmark between them.
Ireland was divided by england, eire (one province) and flanders (who also controlled abouta third of germany and the entire netherlands)
Poland consists of One province (the rest were conquered by Prussia) Sweden is almost as large as it was when i played them, Aragon, Spain Cataluyna all exist (in addition to my own Granada of course) Albania is huge, Austria is a 3 province minor....
well, ottomans go for indian and african colonies in 1.05. Perhaps they receive some in peacetreaties though, but I see them often own some. That means they have more colonies than home-provinces, with a ratio of 5 to 4 or sommetink
Originally posted by Kasperus
well, ottomans go for indian and african colonies in 1.05. Perhaps they receive some in peacetreaties though, but I see them often own some. That means they have more colonies than home-provinces, with a ratio of 5 to 4 or sommetink
I was reffering more to the China in NA comment. It is much better now.
Well, as of 1.05 I no longer see China in Americas, but I've seen Turkey regularly in South Africa and Genoa in Hudson Bay and other odd places, Sweden in the Caribbean and England in Indonesia (with a CoT even!).
Based on Ottoman History, I think there should be some more positive events, that aren't given adequete recognition. I am not sure, if people are too aware of Ottoman history, however, perhaps we can make some events for them, that will fall in lines with history as well eh? Like, the Ottoman purchase of Kaffa and Kerch from Genoa? Or the Mameluke warlords in-fighting (that is really the reason why the Mamelukes fell, and how the Ottomans were able to cotrol them)? How about the march on Mecca, and title of Khalifa? Or the Cultural renaissance after the fall of Constantinople? Or Suleyman's rise in Eastern Europe? Just some brief ideas/questions/suggestions, on what could or should be done.
Originally posted by Euro-Maniac
Based on Ottoman History, I think there should be some more positive events, that aren't given adequete recognition. I am not sure, if people are too aware of Ottoman history, however, perhaps we can make some events for them, that will fall in lines with history as well eh? Like, the Ottoman purchase of Kaffa and Kerch from Genoa? Or the Mameluke warlords in-fighting (that is really the reason why the Mamelukes fell, and how the Ottomans were able to cotrol them)? How about the march on Mecca, and title of Khalifa? Or the Cultural renaissance after the fall of Constantinople? Or Suleyman's rise in Eastern Europe? Just some brief ideas/questions/suggestions, on what could or should be done.
Check with the EEP forum I am sure they have some.
ah, OK. The comment you included made one think differently but now I understand that subtle diversion
Originally posted by Kasperus
ah, OK. The comment you included made one think differently but now I understand that subtle diversion
I don't see how it made one think differently!
well, for my understanding the guy was referring to the Ottoman colonial "problem" and compared it with the good old Chinese colonialization of America.
Sweden and Genoa having colonies is not all that unlikely. Sweden actually had a colony in the Delaware (taken by the dutch) one in Ghana (taken by the dutch, danes and englishmen, returned to the swedes and then taken again) As well as being given (or buying? Can't remember) St. Bartheleymy in the Caribbean.
In my england game (I so wish I could write an AAR but cant be motivated enough to do one) Ive reached the 1500's (at long last) and Turkey stretches throughout the Balkans and Italy only the Papal States and Venice seem to be preventing Turkey from breaking through into central Euroland. My European territory (most of modern day france) goes up tio the turkish border and they have hundreds of thousands of troops no word of a lie. I either need to make an alliance with them or have a war to the death with them because we are the two most powerful nations in Europe and much of the world.
They conquered the Knights in the mid 15th century much to my chagrin as I was guaranteeing the independence of them but Auvergne got attacked by the mighty frogs so I had to defend my vassals and couldnt spare the troops to make war on turkey.
Theres nothing wrogn with them at all lol!
They conquered the Knights in the mid 15th century much to my chagrin as I was guaranteeing the independence of them but Auvergne got attacked by the mighty frogs so I had to defend my vassals and couldnt spare the troops to make war on turkey.
Theres nothing wrogn with them at all lol!
Whats wrong with 1.05???
Thats the latest update isn't it???
On my Lithuania game England is strange (though still manages loads of overseas colonies, probally would have more or less all of the east coast of north america if it wasn't for me) started with Spain taking most of it and Ireland. A lot revolted back to England then revolted back to Spain and back again, Scotland revolted early in the highlands and has stayed their doing nothing. The puritans keep rising up and until a few year back controlled more of England then England. Ireland also overthrew Spain with rebellions and is completly united.
Denmark only has its capital and 2 newfoundland provinces. Its messed up and in peace the ottomans gave Russia a province just east of the capital and gave me one just east too despite me never touching it.
Are the ottomans made to be stupid?
Well, in one game out of ten played, Ottomans actually do something with all that manpower and wealth. The main issue however is that the Ottoman AI can not handle the dozens of BB wars its rapid annexations precipitate. When you add the cost of increasing stability for the Ottomans to that, you get one big mess of a situation...most of the time. Even in your game, I'd say just wait till mid-late 17th century and watch Ottomans burn
Ah! but that is not what he said. And since I did not comment except to say that I did not think he was playing with 1.05, and since only China's colonial AI changed in 1.05, How could you think I was talking about the Ottomans when they did not change with 1.05?
Hmm maybe. I doubt Ill see the Ottomans burn in mid-late 17th century because hopefully ive decided Im going to form the Imperial Alliance. I'll beat France and Russia's 1900's Entente to this historic agreement and throw domestic political and religious conflicts aside for the mutual national interest of Britain and Ottoman Empire.
I find the Ottomans useless when I play as them but so far they are doing alright with AI. It'll probably change isnt that the way with the fortunes of the worlds countries?
ps. Yay, Ive colonised the bottom of south america (already had brazils territory), While Portugal and the Norse-Folk fight each other for land in eastern north america and battle the indians I'm going to land on the WEST side and take first the rest of south america and then move on to canada. Who really needs the hassle of the American War of Independence? Ungrateful colonists. hehe no offence intended
I find the Ottomans useless when I play as them but so far they are doing alright with AI. It'll probably change isnt that the way with the fortunes of the worlds countries?
ps. Yay, Ive colonised the bottom of south america (already had brazils territory), While Portugal and the Norse-Folk fight each other for land in eastern north america and battle the indians I'm going to land on the WEST side and take first the rest of south america and then move on to canada. Who really needs the hassle of the American War of Independence? Ungrateful colonists. hehe no offence intended
Dunno, but somehow the Ottoman AI of EU1 managed to kick ass quite often. Thus I think that either the events or the DP setting of the EU2 Ottomans is screwed up.
After checking 3 save games, their lowest innovativeness score was 4. In on, it was 7 and in another, 10. So they don't really get missionaries to convert those provinces, and will be spending about all their cash to recover stability when they have conquered the Balkans.
So, in this light, the innovativeness is effectually their doom. While historically 15th-16th century Ottomans might have been pretty "innovative", to make them kick ass requires them to be more narrowminded. Or having some conversion events, or more stability-increasing events.
Which would be the best way? Special randomevent for the Ottomans when their stab is at -2 or -3 to go more narrowminded (Times of trouble contermeasures)?
Actually, this looks like being the downfall of AI England, too. They have more than often innovativeness like 9 or 10, and then get destroyed by rebellions when protestantism and reformism and religion changes come along..