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KnyazSuvorov

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So I am a France main that just got destroyed in Multiplayer where I was alone fighting Germany without the UK as an ally.

A. I put up 1200 fighters

(1936 tech mostly, I did the math they are almost as effective as 1940 fighters based on the HOI4 Wiki at disruption) on Bomber interception (with level 2 radar covering all of Northern France)

vs

3000 enemy fighters(1940 tech) + 2500 enemy CAS(1936 tech).

The enemy airforce overwhelmed me, despite my radar bonus, and I pretty much did not inflict any disruption on their bombers. Ok I get it.

B. Enemy CAS then did logistics strike missions that destroyed my (regular, non-armored) trains, which accordingly decimated my supply lines and led to the collapse of the frontline.

What could I have done differently?

If my problem was "Ground Attack" on my troops I could have just inputted a bunch of AA batallions in my divisions(which I did) and negated enemy air superiority.

Similarly, I am looking how to negate enemy air dominance impact on supply delivery.

My questions to @Arheo & any others are as follows:
1. Does static AA protect supply networks in the Area from bombings?

AKA, if I build static AA, will it shoot down enemy aircraft doing the "Logistics Strike" mission? Will it reduce the damage inflicted on my supply network?

Also if so, should I then build AA in states through which my supplies will flow(AKA forget about areas without rails)?

2. Armored trains vs regular trains. How much more difficult (mathematically) are armored trains to destroy compared to regular trains?

I see their armor is 250, they cost 50% more. But does that mean each armored train is 250% more difficult to destroy than a regular train? What's the mathematics?

3. Any other way to counter enemy logistics strikes by asymmetric means(aka if I can't compare in terms of fighter production capacity with the enemy) that I am missing?
 
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It looks hard. Just hope the CAS that attack your logistic will not attack your troops. Just do any small things that help: armor train, AA in divisions to kill the CAS so they don't have CAS for both.

For fighter on intercept, you don't need to win a fighter war, you just need to delay long enough damage. You can concentrate fighter, turn it on and turn if off when they concentrate fightesr too.
 
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You're not holding off Germany as France without the UK's help in MP, simple as that. France's job is to inflict as many casualties to the Germans as possible and make them pay for conquering you, but unless there's a massive skill difference France is losing to Germany 100% of the time. Don't feel bad about losing, that's just how it is. You can't expect to disrupt enemy CAS when they have four times your number of planes and their fighters can fully escort the CAS and shred your air force. You really need the support of the RAF if you want to have any sort of air parity with the German player and even then you will probably lose the air war until the USA starts lend-leasing planes.
 
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You're not holding off Germany as France without the UK's help in MP, simple as that. France's job is to inflict as many casualties to the Germans as possible and make them pay for conquering you, but unless there's a massive skill difference France is losing to Germany 100% of the time. Don't feel bad about losing, that's just how it is. You can't expect to disrupt enemy CAS when they have four times your number of planes and their fighters can fully escort the CAS and shred your air force. You really need the support of the RAF if you want to have any sort of air parity with the German player and even then you will probably lose the air war until the USA starts lend-leasing planes.
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I'm not sure how it works with logistics strike in the picture, but you could attempt to play it like no-air russia and just put AA in all of your divisions. Probably loses even harder to logistics strike though. As far as I know static AA only affects strategic bombing.
 

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  1. Port strikes are affected as well.
  2. Has anyone from PDX said anything explicit about State AA vs. Logistics strikes? Railways and Hubs are provincial level infrastructure and Trains seem to be Convoy-like units.
All ground missions scale the effective plane count from AA

How much and what is worth is up to you to decide :)
 
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I'm not sure how it works with logistics strike in the picture, but you could attempt to play it like no-air russia and just put AA in all of your divisions. Probably loses even harder to logistics strike though. As far as I know static AA only affects strategic bombing.
Logistic Strike works in the same way as Strategic Bombing. The aircrafts have no interaction with the AA in divisions. His best bet would be to aim on interception (maybe using some heavy fighters), and having some TACs to bomb the German airfields would help a lot.
 

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I had the same problem as France. 300 fighters intercepting with a pre radar building. 600 unescorted bombers hitting my supplies. in 6 months I lost all trucks and trains, no supplies, no resistance to Germany at all. I think I shot down 20 or 30 German bombers.
More than anything that was my largest problem, the bombers were unescorted.... why could we not at least make them pay??
 

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Armoured Trains are quite powerful in surviving logistic strikes, you pretty much don't lose any.

You can't really protect your trucks if you motorize your supply nodes though, but should be possible to outproduce those losses, since they are so cheap, or worst case just stay on cav nodes.

The biggest problem is destroyed rails though, with 2500 CAS your rails will be permadamaged even if you trains survive.

In any case I would go for no-air France with suppport AA and MotAT in your divisions, to survive enemy CAS and pierce enemy tanks.
But without UK it really is impossible, since Germany can also break trough maginot using Siege Arty or simply naval invade in Normandy by putting up his air over the channel. Defending your quite long line is already very hard, but on top needing to garrison your ports and maybe even having a mobile force to repel German invasions using mulberries.. yeah quite impossible
 
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