Logistic System & Colonial Possesions/Battle of the Atlantic

[Black_Shade]

I read the DD and tried to read a lot of the posts to see if Johan addressed this, but if a german player knocks out most of the british merchant marine, what happens to britains colonial possesions? It annoyed me to no end in HoI2 that units in india would start starving, when in reality they would be fine but its the home isles that would be out of supply. I got the feeling from the DD that this would still be the case. Please tell me I'm wrong

 

[Sirveri]

discussed to death here.

 

[King]

They starve

 

[HMS Enterprize]

^Oh good, another broken aspect of the game that is not going to be fixed

To expand this problem further, on reflection it seems kinda silly that a unit can be deployed anywhere (ie, right on the front lines) that is linked to the capital...

 

[Black_Shade]

They starve

If were going to abstract food into supplies, why cant the unit only use supplies over time while in combat, and so only lose strength at a faster rate in combat as it expends ammunition/etc? This might actually even be realistic- the divisions in india would be well fed, but if no convoys came from britain they would quickly run out of ammunition if forced into combat. Perhaps org can still decrease slowly overtime as the units morale gets low from having no bullets.

Another possibility would be for supplies to be foraged from the surrounding area, but it seems like that would be a lot harder to implement (not to mention it wouldnt make since in certain terrain types).

edit: enterprize, unless they changed it, you can still only deploy to ownedterritory. This means a germany attacking russia could only deploy as far as poland, even if they were pushing the gates of moscow.

 

[King]

^Oh good, another broken aspect of the game that is not going to be fixed

To expand this problem further, on reflection it seems kinda silly that a unit can be deployed anywhere (ie, right on the front lines) that is linked to the capital...

Yes it is yet another broken aspect of the game that is not going to be fixed.

 

[Sirveri]

If were going to abstract food into supplies, why cant the unit only use supplies over time while in combat, and so only lose strength at a faster rate in combat as it expends ammunition/etc? This might actually even be realistic- the divisions in india would be well fed, but if no convoys came from britain they would quickly run out of ammunition if forced into combat. Perhaps org can still decrease slowly overtime as the units morale gets low from having no bullets.

Per twitter:

In Hoi3, units without supply will not lose org, but the org regain speed depends entirely on supply-status.

Yes it is yet another broken aspect of the game that is not going to be fixed.

I'm guessing you guys are getting ready to announce feature lock and beta. You also seem a tad cranky, but people calling something broken when they don't have their hands on it is probably kind of annoying.

 

[zeekater]

The strength of divisions not only represents men anyway, but also working vehicles, guns, ammo... All the stuff you would send as supplies. If Britain can't supply divisions in India, they won't get any replacement parts and replacement equipment. Their vehicles will break down, worn out guns won't be replaced,... making them a less effective fighting force.

Isn't that what happened to the Japanese on all those islands in the pacific?

Although strength losses should perhaps be slower, right now it takes about 130 days for a division to get down to 0 (30 days reserve supplies carried by the division, 100 days at 1 strength each day), that's about 4 months. The German division in Dunkirk for example held out for 8 months from september 1944 to may 1945.

 

[Alex_brunius]

Although strength losses should perhaps be slower, right now it takes about 130 days for a division to get down to 0

Now when a division will have 9000 strenght instead of 100% I think they can fit in a little more accuracy

 

[unmerged(52507)]

Yes it is yet another broken aspect of the game that is not going to be fixed.

I will start saving my dollars for HOI4 then. And play a bit of HOI3 in the meantime.

 

[unmerged(12217)]

The strength of divisions not only represents men anyway, but also working vehicles, guns, ammo... All the stuff you would send as supplies. If Britain can't supply divisions in India, they won't get any replacement parts and replacement equipment. Their vehicles will break down, worn out guns won't be replaced,... making them a less effective fighting force.

Isn't that what happened to the Japanese on all those islands in the pacific?

Although strength losses should perhaps be slower, right now it takes about 130 days for a division to get down to 0 (30 days reserve supplies carried by the division, 100 days at 1 strength each day), that's about 4 months. The German division in Dunkirk for example held out for 8 months from september 1944 to may 1945.

Except that the Indian Army was able to manufacture some light armor and munitions locally and was not totally dependent upon the British Isles for everything.

 

[unmerged(131989)]

Except that the Indian Army was able to manufacture some light armor and munitions locally and was not totally dependent upon the British Isles for everything.

The quality of their manufactured products was less though, apparently.

 

[Balesir]

The quality of their manufactured products was less though, apparently.

Heh - that depends who you ask!

Supplies and munitions for the British forces in India had been manufactured (at least partly) locally since the Ishapore Arsenal began production of gunpowder in 1791. For the Army of India (i.e. the Indian army and the British Army in India combined) ammunition, small arms, armoured cars, armoured trains and sundry other supplies and equipment were largely made in India. The continued "all things flow from the capital" system is hugely disappointing, but there it is.

Edit: Even where materiel was imported, it did not necessarily come from the UK. The Indian Armoured Divisions (three of them) were supplied tanks from the USA (Stuarts, Grants and Shermans, mainly), and other weapons and supplies came from Canada and Australia.

 

[unmerged(134661)]

Yes it is yet another broken aspect of the game that is not going to be fixed.

It's rare to see such brutal honesty and frankly I wish we had more of it.

If the British have no ability to ship materials back and forth, they've effectively lost control. The impact on morale of the local troops and population would be severe. I don't really mind the troops becoming weaker the longer this goes on.

It' s not perfect but I've yet to play game that is.

 

[Bullfrog]

From Twitter:

"In Hoi3, units without supply will not lose org, but the org regain speed depends entirely on supply-status."

So as long as British Indian troops are sitting in unsupplied India, they will be OK, but if they begin to fight, you will have problems. Seems realistic enough for me. Indian industry alone could not resupply all the weapons and ammo that the units might have needed.

 

[Peekee]

From Twitter:

"In Hoi3, units without supply will not lose org, but the org regain speed depends entirely on supply-status."

So as long as British Indian troops are sitting in unsupplied India, they will be OK, but if they begin to fight, you will have problems. Seems realistic enough for me. Indian industry alone could not resupply all the weapons and ammo that the units might have needed.

But they will loose strength?