List of states which can be formed?

[yezhanquan]

Hi guys, I do not have CK2, but what are the states you can form in CK2? I'm considering whether to buy, and forming states is a particular goal I have when playing Paradox games. I'm sure forming states and keeping your dynasty in charge of it will be a challenge.

 

[Dracko81]

There are no states in CK2. Instead you have empires, kingdoms, duchies and counties.

 

[yezhanquan]

There are no states in CK2. Instead you have empires, kingdoms, duchies and counties.

Hmmm.... So, which are the empires and kingdoms you can form? I'm assuming that duchies and counties are usually made up of only one province.

 

[Me_]

Hmmm.... So, which are the empires and kingdoms you can form? I'm assuming that duchies and counties are usually made up of only one province.

Counties are a single "province", duchies are made out of 1 to 6 (at least, there may be some bigger ones) counties and kingdoms are made out of one or several duchies.
I don't remember all the kingdoms, and not every one of them is formable (some only exist for historical scenarios).
The Empires are: Brittania, Francia, Hispania, Holy Roman Empire, Arabia, Persia, Russia, Byzantine Empire, Roman Empire (formable only by the Byzantines with LoR DLC), Latin Empire, plus 3 "horde" empires that cannot be formed.

 

[joshau-k]

The difference between CK2 and EU3 is that you can have all the (formable) duchys, kingdoms and empires at once!
Not that it's a good idea to do so.

 

[justin6477]

Hmmm.... So, which are the empires and kingdoms you can form? I'm assuming that duchies and counties are usually made up of only one province.

Take a look on the de jure duchies, kingdoms, and empires pages.

Beyond that there are a handful of formable titulars like the Latin Empire and the Kingdom of Cyprus.

 

[yezhanquan]

The difference between CK2 and EU3 is that you can have all the (formable) duchys, kingdoms and empires at once!
Not that it's a good idea to do so.

Given the court size you will need for that, it is going to be messy.

 

[SweArdaia]

Hmmm.... So, which are the empires and kingdoms you can form? I'm assuming that duchies and counties are usually made up of only one province.

This game isn't EU3 or Vicky 2. Creating new "countries" / independent realms is not a goal you should pursue in this game. It is hard, if not impossible to release independent kingdoms and duchies from your realm. If this kind of thing interests you, don't buy CKII, but if you like blobbing, CKII is the game for you

 

[yezhanquan]

This game isn't EU3 or Vicky 2. Creating new "countries" / independent realms is not a goal you should pursue in this game. It is hard, if not impossible to release independent kingdoms and duchies from your realm. If this kind of thing interests you, don't buy CKII, but if you like blobbing, CKII is the game for you

Er, I think you misunderstand. I like to create new states in V2 that remain under my control, the usual Germany/Italy stuff. Have absolutely no intention to release. Perhaps, I should have used "unification" instead....

 

[unmerged(26764)]

This game is really about collecting titles. Count of X, Duke of Y, King of Z, Emperor of All the Things, and so on.

You get to pick which of your highest tier titles is your primary, which is the title that displays on the map. But your character is going to have a ton of other titles. Other characters with other titles will be your vassals and part of your realm. You'll take new titles, and grant out new titles during the game. You will probably destroy some titles that you don't want to hold and you don't want to give to a vassal.

Titles each have a de jure territory -- counties on the map that belong to them. The Duke of Somewhere includes the Count of A, Count of B, and Count of C. If you hold those counties, you can create the Duchy of Somewhere. Then you might keep it, or grant it to your son as a vassal to you. Or the Duke of Somewhere might already exist, yet not hold the counties that should belong to him. He may declare war to take them as his rightful territory. Or you might usurp the title from him.

You're not playing a country. You're playing a person, and then his heir. And that person has a collective of titles and vassals. Which make up a realm.

So you don't really create a new country, or form unifications. You're not a nation state. You're a person. There are titles that don't exist at the start of a 1066 game that you can take the land to create. So there is no Empire of Brittania at the start, and if you take enough of the British Isles you can create that title. Then your character is Emperor of Brittania (in addition to King of England, King of Wales, Duke of Northumberland, Duke of Cornwall, and Count of a Ton of Places). That's sort of forming a new nation. But sort of not.

It's a different sort of game from what you're used to. So your question doesn't really make sense given the game.

 

[yezhanquan]

OOOOO..... Ok. Instead of collecting states, you collect titles!

On a more serious note, thanks for the patience. I can now see why historical monarchs have such long titles. I'm a little fuzzy on how your lands can translate to superior titles.

 

[Kanin_Usagi]

OOOOO..... Ok. Instead of collecting states, you collect titles!

On a more serious note, thanks for the patience. I can now see why historical monarchs have such long titles. I'm a little fuzzy on how your lands can translate to superior titles.

You have to own 50% of a title's 'de jure' realm in order to create or seize the title. For instance, if the Duchy of Brittany is made up of six counties, and my character owns four of those six counties, I can then either create the title Duchy of Brittany (if no one owns it), or usurp the Duchy if someone does own it.