List of Ethnic groups?

[brandnew70x7]

Is there a list around of the ethnic groups that will be in? Sorry if this has been asked, haven't been really checking this forum lately.

and is immigration based on history or conditions?

(IE: Things improve in Ireland, and Lebanon is getting really bad and Lebanese immigrate to the US)

 

[HisMajestyBOB]

From what little we know, I'd say that immigration will be based on conditions, not hardcoded.

I'd imagine that there'd be at least as many nationalities as in Eu, probably more, in order to divide up the Balkans and other areas.

 

[brandnew70x7]

I wonder if you will be able to put restrictions on immigration from certain places so they dont flood you. That would be cool.

 

[unmerged(2952)]

I hope so! It should also be possible to favor certain groups over others; honestly I want to be able to create a predominantly German, Polish, and Irish United States Also, when new groups come in, they should affect the predominant ideologies of the nation they move in.

 

[Grosshaus]

I like the ideology shift idea. Not just from imigration, but also from every neighbouring state.

I believe there will be lots of arguments about the different ethnic proportions of different scenarios in Eastern Europe. I kind of hope there will be less ethnicities but more provinces with several ethnicities, provided that this is enabled in the game. This way there will be at least a limited chance of forming larger nations with reasonable amount of minorities.

 

[unmerged(18249)]

Hopefully the ethnicity of a province is not static and can be changed by desire. (resettlement, absorbation into the realm, nationalization, indoctrination ect. )

 

[unmerged(15764)]

yes thats a great ide wilhelm, being able to affect the thnicity but this should cause some unrest maybe?`?

 

[Dark Knight]

Originally posted by Burris
Is there a list around of the ethnic groups that will be in? Sorry if this has been asked, haven't been really checking this forum lately.

and is immigration based on history or conditions?

All official information is in the FAQ.

 

[unmerged(10802)]

hmm assimilation would be good....
New York is 100% anglo-saxon and in come 5% Norwegians due to the Swedes being up to their old tricks. So its 95% AS and 5% N, after 5 years of assimilation it goes to 96% AS, or something like that.....
I hope it isn't handled in too hard a way like EU2- As England you control a German province and a Chinese one, you get the same negatives from your German as your Chinese.... Also stuff I can't explain like how people from various areas of the British Isles were different in some ways yet the same in others.

 

[Classique]

*pondering out loud*

What would the culture of German-speaking Austria be? German.... Upper German..... Bavarian.... Austrian.....

 

[brandnew70x7]

German Speaking Austria... perhaps, German?

 

[brandnew70x7]

Originally posted by Josquius
hmm assimilation would be good....
New York is 100% anglo-saxon and in come 5% Norwegians due to the Swedes being up to their old tricks. So its 95% AS and 5% N, after 5 years of assimilation it goes to 96% AS, or something like that.....
I hope it isn't handled in too hard a way like EU2- As England you control a German province and a Chinese one, you get the same negatives from your German as your Chinese.... Also stuff I can't explain like how people from various areas of the British Isles were different in some ways yet the same in others.

Sorry, I dont agree. I think the ethnic groups shouldn't change their etnicity. It would mean, Irish become Anglo Saxon, and hence become Protestant. Unlikely.

 

[unmerged(10945)]

Originally posted by Wilhelm II
Hopefully the ethnicity of a province is not static and can be changed by desire. (resettlement, absorbation into the realm, nationalization, indoctrination ect. )

Don't forget laws that disallow immigration for an ethnic group.(example: the Chinese Exclusion Act passed by the US in the 1880s)

 

[Classique]

Originally posted by Burris
German Speaking Austria... perhaps, German?

Well, I'm just wondering how deep they intend to go with ethnicities.

 

[unmerged(10802)]

Aren't religion and ethnicities different things though?
I know with immigration to Britain by eastern Europeans they tried to make themselves more British.

 

[unmerged(18249)]

Originally posted by Burris
Sorry, I dont agree. I think the ethnic groups shouldn't change their etnicity. It would mean, Irish become Anglo Saxon, and hence become Protestant. Unlikely.

I think that should depend on factors like nationalism and language, as well as religion. also depend on what kind of policy one decides to adapt.

I never liked in EU2 that the krimea was permanently Mongolian culture, allthough one owned it for several hundred years. Assimilation would only be possible if you combine several different policys, and only if the culture is close to ones own.
the irish have their own language, religion and then were treated very bad by the English. That should make them more resistant.

They should implement something like the religious conversion in EU2 only on political scale. "Agitators" which could start revolutions or be used to "nationalize" a province. then maybe combine it with something like "domestic infrastructure". the more you invest in that (schools which teach the language of the majorety), combined with settlers you send into the province, slowly shifting the nationality and ethnicity of the province. (Australia, New-Zeeland, South-Africa).

 

[Surgünoglu]

Originally posted by Wilhelm II
I never liked in EU2 that the krimea was permanently Mongolian culture, allthough one owned it for several hundred years. Assimilation would only be possible if you combine several different policys, and only if the culture is close to ones own.
the irish have their own language, religion and then were treated very bad by the English. That should make them more resistant.

But the Tatars were almost never assimilated. Greeks were found on the coast, Crimean Jews were all over, Russian cities were built, but assimilation was not achieved. The only thing that made Crimean Russian was Stalin's deportations.

Assimilation should be difficult, but not always possible. Sometimes, if you want badly enough that people be culturally pure, you're going to have to start committing a few crimes. True, toward the end, the Crimeans were adopting Russian language and modernizing, but the assimilation was too slow for Stalin. Russia had had Crimea for over one-hundred-fifty years, and assimilation was only beginning. Perhaps a unique case, but an exception all the same.

 

[Conrad]

religion and ethnicity

Assimilation should be due to three factors:

Language
Religion
Oppression

A minority that is religiously and linguistically similar to the majority will be quickly assimilated. The Swedes of Delaware assimilated within a few generations due to the linguistic and religious similarities between the germanic protestant Swedes and the germanic protestant English majority. We can see the same case with protestant Germans in Pennsylvania who assimilated. The French in Canada not only spoke a different language but were also religiously different, and so did not assimilate. We can see the same effect with the religiously different German speaking Amish minority in Pennsylvania.

Oppression is also an important factor. In medieaval England and Germany the Celtic and Slavic subjugated majorities were assimilated due to convincing legal advantages.

 

[Grosshaus]

In addition to those, a big bonus to assimilation when belonging to the same "race". After all, Europeans at the time could mix and assimilate with themselves, but Africans remained African. The only place with true native assimilation was in South-America. Perhaps there could be a penalty to assimilation when your capital is on different continent?

Also assimilation of "core" provinces should be a lot more difficult than that of colonies or conquered provinces.

 

[unmerged(15764)]

also if the population you want to assimilate in a province is over 50 percent it must be alot harder becasue the are the majority