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Originally posted by Gaute65
Scotland is in
Follow-up question: why?
BTW, I can't find it in Johan's list, is 'IND' India?
Why not? When my family lived in scotland because my dad was stationed there in the navy, it was quite clear that the Scots as a whole disliked England. Now IRL it never got to Irish levels of nationalism(as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong), but it isn't a strech to think it could have.Originally posted by snuggs
Follow-up question: why?
It's a lot more likely than New England revolting from the US.
Scotland has their own parliament and government now... is the UK actually a "united kingdom" today or what? Im confused about the Scottish autonomy.
Originally posted by PriestOfDiscord
It's a lot more likely than New England revolting from the US.
They did discuss it in the War of 1812.
True, though I'm pretty sure the issue died with the end of that war. It isn't out of the realm of possibility though. I'm just glad the tag is there, the more potential revolters the better.
Definitely. There were a few that I thought they could still have added - like Iraq, Palestine, Libya...and unless I missed it, I think the Basques weren't in.
That's what they've got user-defined tags for, I suppose. I'm pretty sure that this is many more tags than were in EU2, after all.
Well, the whole point of having a country tag for other than its existence historically is because it's a 'could have been' sort of scenario.
Yeah, yeah, they all could have been.
Frankly, I think it would be a fine idea to have a tag for every province, but that's not realistic, of course. The more realistic and the more reasonable ones should be included.And, frankly, I don't think that it's wildly incredible that Scotland could become independent. I know that there weren't anything more than wacky rumors but it had a separate identity in England and all that.
Originally posted by Alexander Seil
Why the heck isn't this stickied yet?
See the FAQ section
Originally posted by Alexander Seil
Why the heck isn't this stickied yet?
Because noone reads stickied threads
There is copy list of country tags in the FAQ's, so I guess it won't be.
Cheers, Ice
Originally posted by snuggs
So... is there a Scotland?
WHERE'S MATO GROSSO
Mato Grosso (Brazilian province in 1836-1889, Brazilian State since 1889) has never been an Independent country.
On the other hand, Rio Grande do Sul (Southern Brazil) should have a tag as they almost become an Independent country between 1835-1845.
Originally posted by DaPacemDomine
The Californian Republic! I wonder if it has an Austrian ruler in there, somewhere ...
Close.... think Swiss...... John Sutter and New Helvetia!
Oooh and I'm also excited about the Metis Confederacy, along with Quebec, an anti-Brit rebel force on the North American continent! I will definitely help them cause numerous headaches.
Some radical Republicans discussed it prior to 1860 as well. I think it should be just as possible for New England to secede in response to a strongly sectional party being elected as was the deep South in real life. If Breckinridge been the only Democratic nominee in 1860 he might have won, and if he won on a platform of guaranteeing slavery in all the territories, strongly enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act throughout the North, and expanding southward, there would have been calls for seccession by radical abolitionists in New England. Maybe they would have been as successful as the Southern firebrands were in real life?
I don't think a USA less New England (and even more dominated by the South) would have fought to keep New England in the Union, though. Who needs those high-tarriff busybodies? So, no Civil War, hello "Southern Dream of a Carribean Empire,"* with the Old Northwest and the territories along for the ride.
And the UK would have to choose between an abolitionist New England that is an industrial rival but doesn't threaten European holdings in the Carribean and Central and South America and a slave-holding USA that provides a low-tarriff market for their industries but actively enforces the Monroe Doctrine at least, and at most considers Manifest Destiny to extend from Alaska to the Spanish Main. Sounds like fun!
* a great book by Robert May, (Univ Press of Florida, 2nd ed. 2002).
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