List of All Countries with Generic National Ideas

[Krajzen]

Because I am insane. Currently there are over 100 countries without National Ideas - they stick with boring and very weak Generic ones. They are sad



INDOCHINA: currently 15 countries without NIs

- Khmer, Champa
- Laotan Ideas: Vientiane, Luang Prabang, Champasak, Muan Phuang
- Northern Thai Ideas: Lan Na, Sukhothai
- Shan Ideas: Ava, Hsenwi, Mong Yang, Shan, Pegu, Arakan


INDONESIA: currently 14 countries without NIs

- Makassar
- Indonesian Ideas: Banten, Bali, Mataram, Luwu, Banjar, Kutai, Lanfang, Maguindanao, Lanao, Ternate, Tidore, Sulu, Blambangan


INDIA: currently 12 countries withou NIs

- Ceylon
- Whatever Ideas: Bagelkhand, Bundelkhand, Rohilkhand, Maniput, Tripura, Kachar, Tirhut, Baglana, Gwalior, Gahrwal, Kangra


CHINA: currently 6 countries withou NIs

- Chinese Ideas: Shun, Xi, ZHou, Yi, Miao, Dali


MUSLIM WORLD: currently 12 countries without NIs

- Kurdish Ideas: Ardalan, Bohtan
- Whatever Ideas: Baluchistan, Kokkand, Ladakh, Yarkand, Khorasan


EASTERN EUROPE: currently 7 countries without NIs

- Nizhny Novgorod
- Transylvania

WESTERN EUROPE: currently 17 countries without NIs

- Feudal Duchies Ideas: Toulouse, Dauphine, Foix, Armagnac, Guyenne, Berry, Orleannais, Alencon, Lorraine, Hainaut, Luxembourg, Northumberland, Cornwall, York, Galicia, Normandy


AFRICA: currently 17 countries without NIs

- Mutapa
- Nubian Ideas: Makuria, Alodia, Funj
- African Ideas: Medel Bahri, Darfur, Kaffa, Harar, Aussa, Warsengali, Majerteen, Hobyo, Geled, Marehan, Adal



- Join Persian Ideas: Tabarestan
- Join Kongolese Ideas: Ndongo, Loango
- Join Aragonese Ideas: Catalunya
- Join Polish Ideas : Masovia
- Join Assamese Ideas: Sadiya
- Join Greek Ideas: Epirus, Achaea, Morea, Crete


Countries which already are in unique NI groups but I think deserve unique personalized NIs

- Flanders
- Maya
- Zapotec
- Blackfoot
- Sioux
- Comanche

 

[Krajzen]

Feel free to comment, also I think it would be nice to stick this thread somewhere Of course if I forgot about some nation or made a mistake, also feel free to correct.

 

[klingonadmiral]

Don't forget the generic German Ideas. That Baden and Mecklenburg have the same NIs is just ludicrous, there should at least be seperate (although somewhat similar) NIs for each german culture group. Also unified Germany.

 

[Zupanicarr]

Kinda weird that Nizhny Novgorod wouldn't get Russian(Muscovite? Novgorodian? I can't remember the NIs in the area) NIs, though, I'm not particularly familiar with the history of that geographical area. Is there any reason why they don't just get one of their neighbors National Ideas?

 

[IIWW]

Timbuktu and few others have "West african ideas"

 

[Incompetent]

+1, good list and suggestions.

Regional ideas (e.g. German ideas, Central Indian ideas etc) are a good approach. There are hundreds of tags, many of which are very minor countries that may not even appear in an average game, and giving one NI set per tag and giving them all unique flavour would be an enormous task. But completely generic ideas are bad, and it would only take a handful of new sets of NIs to upgrade them all to something that at least has a regional flavour.

Some countries do deserve their own NIs though, as they are interesting countries in unique locations. I'd give Baluchistan its own set for instance; also, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon are all in a culturally/religiously interesting part of the world.

With the 'feudal duchies', I'd group the French minors in one group, the Iberian minors in a second, and English minors in a third. Cornwall could get Welsh ideas I suppose.

 

[Krajzen]

With the 'feudal duchies', I'd group the French minors in one group, the Iberian minors in a second, and English minors in a third. Cornwall could get Welsh ideas I suppose.

They don't deserve on that

- Iberia has ONE MINOR, Galicia, and it is probably the country which needs NIs the least of all countries in EU4
- England has THREE MINORS and each of them has no chance of achieving anything


Galicia, York, Northumberland, Cornwall and French Mess should be a single 'feudal duchies' <or whatever> group, with diplomatic and economic bonuses

 

[IIWW]

I haven't wrote that...

 

[Incompetent]

They don't deserve on that

- Iberia has ONE MINOR, Galicia, and it is probably the country which needs NIs the least of all countries in EU4
- England has THREE MINORS and each of them has no chance of achieving anything

Iberia and England should have more minors, so that there's a chance of England/Castile/Portugal collapsing into multiple successor states

 

[Krajzen]

Iberia and England should have more minors, so that there's a chance of England/Castile/Portugal collapsing into multiple successor states

...Actually I agree with that, however currently there aren't more minors here

 

[PiriReis]

- Middle Eastern Ideas: Lebanon, Syria, Iraq

They have Arabian ideas.

 

[Incompetent]

They have Arabian ideas.

They could have a group of their own, though. (Levantine ideas?)

 

[Krajzen]

They have Arabian ideas.

Wait, really? :0


Thus I shall remove SYRIA, IRAQ and LEBANON from the list as Arabian ideas are good and these three countries never appear anyway ;d

 

[AlphaSonic]

Don't forget the generic German Ideas. That Baden and Mecklenburg have the same NIs is just ludicrous, there should at least be seperate (although somewhat similar) NIs for each german culture group. Also unified Germany.

Mecklenburg has Pomeranian Ideas.

 

[oblio-]

Also unified Germany.

Unified Germany will never have its own ideas, most likely.
Imagine a Hansa player forming Germany and losing the awesome trading ideas. Or a Prussia player forming it and losing the awesome military ideas.

I wouldn't say that it's impossible, it's just very unlikely.

 

[klingonadmiral]

Mecklenburg has Pomeranian Ideas.

Damn, Holstein then. My point still stands, though.

Unified Germany will never have its own ideas, most likely.
Imagine a Hansa player forming Germany and losing the awesome trading ideas. Or a Prussia player forming it and losing the awesome military ideas.

I wouldn't say that it's impossible, it's just very unlikely.

It should be pretty easy to do with an event that is fired by the Form Germany decision, Lets call it "The German Question":

Choice A: "We are a part of Germany" - Switch Idea Group to a Unified German one, gain Increased Decentralisation modifier, nationalist rebels rise in the capital
Choice B: "Germany was united under our banner" - Keep your idea group, gain Increased Centralisation modifier, nationalist rebels rise in a few random provinces.

So the German minors with good NIs (Prussia, Hansa and the like) could keep their good NIs, while a nation that despite weak NIs has united the German lands into one nation could reap the rewards of getting new (better) NIs. Choice B would be the approximation of what happened during the Unification period in the mid-late 19th century.

I'll probably go right to modding that in.

 

[oblio-]

It should be pretty easy to do with an event that is fired by the Form Germany decision, Lets call it "The German Question":

Choice A: "We are a part of Germany" - Switch Idea Group to a Unified German one, gain Increased Decentralisation modifier, nationalist rebels rise in the capital
Choice B: "Germany was united under our banner" - Keep your idea group, gain Increased Centralisation modifier, nationalist rebels rise in a few random provinces.

So the German minors with good NIs (Prussia, Hansa and the like) could keep their good NIs, while a nation that despite weak NIs has united the German lands into one nation could reap the rewards of getting new (better) NIs. Choice B would be the approximation of what happened during the Unification period in the mid-late 19th century.

I'll probably go right to modding that in.

Yours is probably the best approach. A similar issue plagues Italy and quite a few players have complained about losing their government form and national ideas when forming Italy...

 

[lordelenath]

Personally I'd love to know which NIs have been improved with 1.8. Wiz named a few (Nepal) but I'd love a exhaustive list on these.

 

[PiriReis]

They could have a group of their own, though. (Levantine ideas?)

"Syria" and "Iraq" are European creatures, never existed during the EU4 timeframe.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Man, why couldn't they have buffed the generic ideas, they buffed other idea groups. There never was and remains no reason to give most nations at least passable bonuses and then just dump utter trash on these poor nations :/.