Life expectancy

[JMensch]

as the game features nobles and other big-shots, many of the life-shortening threats facing the general population don't apply. Nobles mostly don't have to worry about starving to death, being killed in the street, freezing in winter, fighting in battles without training or equipment, or having body parts removed for petty crimes.

If someone can survive childbirth and childhood disease, keep food and shelter, and be lucky enough to not catch the plague or get murdered, they could expect to live a long time.

It's nice to know childhood survival hasnt changed much.

 

[RabidAnubis]

So basically we all agree that malusus should have a higher malus, but the ability to live to 70 is not insane?

 

[Lord Samuel]

So basically we all agree that malusus should have a higher malus, but the ability to live to 70 is not insane?

And there should be more options/events to cure (or worsen) a health malus.

 

[unmerged(21389)]

Is this a dead issue? I've only been playing a week and it seems obvious people are living too long. I thought I'd do a search to see if it was a bug and low and behold I found this thread. I have seen diseases like small pox and measles pop up, but they don't often kill anyone or cause long illnesses. I've got rulers with a dozen kids and living into their 70s. Seems odd. Sure it can happen, but almost every time?...and most of the adjacent countries too? Did the Rome release make any adjustments?

 

[Thure]

I've got rulers with a dozen kids and living into their 70s. Seems odd. Sure it can happen, but almost every time?...and most of the adjacent countries too? Did the Rome release make any adjustments?

That was very common in this times... Many rulers living into ther 70s. And dozen children? That's not enough! There were many rulers with many children.

 

[Anenu]

I would like it if the upped the fertility, increased the life span (no more dying of natural causes in your 30's), and increased the negatives for getting ill or wounded since a disease or wound was a much more serious problem back then compared to the present. Also childbirth should place the health of the mother and child at risk as I have seen no person die in childbirth and unless I am completely mistaken many women of all ranges of society died in childbirth in this time period.

 

[jfinley12]

I guess I just have bad luck in my last two games my entire country has come down with disease in all the counties small pox and typhoid it wiped me out and all my heirs both times playing a created ruler in Ireland.

 

[Zupanicarr]

Yeah im noticing this becoming a problem

 

[Beric Dondarion]

InfertileMcKingPants' wife gives birth to a son!
InfertileMcKingPant's son dies of natural causes!

 

[Loderingo]

Hmm. Just been looking through the Kings of England for the period and their life expectancy was generally around 45-65 (excluding those who met a sticky end). Longest was Edward I aged 69.

So generally you shouldn't get people living into their 70s too often. For rulers, I think they should increase the poor physique cause of death. Also there were quite a few Kings who suffered from mystery illnesses (ones that hadn't been diagnosed at the time).

I think they should have some longer illnesses and add some events where you try to get a cure - praying for salvation, being leeched by a doctor etc.

 

[Vindahl]

I agree somewhat to all this about Rulers getting very old...
However, many other characters in my games die young, both from natural causes and illnesses... But my ruler always seem to get old, no matter what disseases he contracts... And yeah, I do see it as a problem, as I lose contact with my kids and grandchildren and even sometimes great-grandchildren...
I think that the base value of all "starter" ruler-characters are too high - and though I know they are that high to make certain you can create a dynasty before dying too young with no heirs - I still think they are a LITTLE too high...
But again, perhaps I am just lucky/unlucky with my rulers getting old...?

 

[Lessing]

Rulers should most often live to their late 50s/early 60s, but not die of natural causes before 40. Thats just annoying.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Thats not true. Mediaeval people live relativly long! Expecial the nobility. The short living story is a lie from the Age of Enlightenment. Ages of 60 are really common.

+1. This is once more the result of people misunderstanding what "average age" means. Knowing an average means nothing if you don't know how much your numbers are dispersed. That is what e.g. standard deviation is for. Once you take into account that many children died below the age of 10 the low average age isn't much of a surprise.

Simple example - 5 children, three die at the age of ten, two become 60 years old:

((3*10)+(2*60))/5=30

There is your low average age expectancy...

Rulers should most often live to their late 50s/early 60s, but not die of natural causes before 40. Thats just annoying.

Isn't "natural causes" just a collective label for any death not known to be caused by murder, war or long disease?

 

[khedas]

Hmm. Just been looking through the Kings of England for the period and their life expectancy was generally around 45-65 (excluding those who met a sticky end). Longest was Edward I aged 69.

I'll add the medieval Kings of Portugal during CK2's timeframe to your list (nobody killed in battle or assassination):

1. Alfonso I (1109-1185), died aged 75/76.

2. Sancho I (1154-1211), died aged 56.

3. Alfonso II (1185-1223), died aged 37.

4. Sancho II (1223-1248), died aged 38.

5. Alfonso III (1210-1279), died aged 68.

6. Dinis (1261-1325), died aged 63.

7. Alfonso IV (1291-1357), died aged 66.

8. Pedro I (1320-1367), died aged 46.

9. Fernando I (1345-1383), died aged 37.

10. João I (1357-1433), died aged 75.

11. Duarte (1391-1438), died aged 46.

12. Alfonso V (1432-1481), died aged 49.

Out of 12, two made it past 70, three didn't make it to 40. Average lifespan: 50 years.

And I do recommend CK2+ for childbirth deaths, dead children and early deaths.