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As I don't like easy games, I started playing as a count after playing the learning scenario. The two times I have played, my liege ends revoking my title, no matter if I had increased his opinion towards me or even if I joined all his wars. First time was very early in the game, second time, a bit later. Second time I tried to foster a good opinion of my by my liege and joined his wars... It is frustrating that he keeps wanting my title. Since it is my only title, the game ends when he revokes it. I tried to resist, but a war is almost impossible against him and his forces.
My county is Burgos and my liege is the King of Castille, who calls every time -although he does not have the need to- the King of León and Navarra against me...
Does someone knows why he keeps revoking my title?
 
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He's under his demesne limit and wants more land. He may also have a claim on the county. What year are you starting in? Looks to me like k_castille has c_burgos as his capital in the 1066 starts.

Joining his wars as a vassal doesn't make him like you any more. Send your chancellor to his court to improve relations. Send him gifts, if you can afford it. If you have Way of Life, invite him to your carousing parties.
 

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He's under his demesne limit and wants more land. He may also have a claim on the county. What year are you starting in? Looks to me like k_castille has c_burgos as his capital in the 1066 starts.

Joining his wars as a vassal doesn't make him like you any more. Send your chancellor to his court to improve relations. Send him gifts, if you can afford it. If you have Way of Life, invite him to your carousing parties.

Hello richvh, my starting date is 1220 a.c. and King of Castile my liege, has only the title of King and Count of... I don't recall. Exploring I notice the existence of the Duchy of Castille, in which is included the county of Burgos... perhaps he is striving for it...
 

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At some point it was decided that the AI should always try to control the historical/de jure capital of their kingdom, even if it required revoking titles and taking the hits to opinion with vassals. If you are starting out as a count holding that title then you picked pretty much the worst start in the game. I'm not sure how you even tell which county is the capital from in-game information, just have to guess based on history + what the stronger counties are.

EDIT: Forgot, you can tell what the historical capital is because its the only place you are allowed to move your (current) capital back to after you have already moved it once.
 

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Burgos is, indeed, the capital county of the kingdom of Castlle.
 
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At some point it was decided that the AI should always try to control the historical/de jure capital of their kingdom, even if it required revoking titles and taking the hits to opinion with vassals. If you are starting out as a count holding that title then you picked pretty much the worst start in the game. I'm not sure how you even tell which county is the capital from in-game information, just have to guess based on history + what the stronger counties are.

EDIT: Forgot, you can tell what the historical capital is because its the only place you are allowed to move your (current) capital back to after you have already moved it once.
On the de jure kingdoms map mode (and de jure duchies and de jure empires) the capital counties are labeled as such on mouse-over.
 
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That is all true. However, I suspect that there is an exception for that rule as well. I started 769 scenario as the count of Nassau which is the de jure capital county of East Franks or Germany. The Karlings created the Empire of Francia and later the Kingdom of East Franks (Germany). The King of East Franks never tried to revoke county of Nassau from because I had multiple duchies and I was much more powerful than he was. Ultimately, I guess having more troops than your liege may well prevent him trying to revoke the de jure capital county.
 

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I had the same problem...

New game from 867 with the count of Nassau and after a few monthes, I got a title revocation from the king with no reason.
I tried 6-7 times and it has still happened.

With the help of Paradox, I found that the marriage was apparently the problem.

Why ? I don't know...but I was always married with a woman from Ulm and got this trouble. I tried to marry another woman and no problem at all.
 

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As others have said, residing within the de jure capital or capital is almost always the quickest way to Game Over. Not a whole lot you can do about it bar getting your hands on some mercs and trying to fight back.

Being a newer player, there's plenty of little things like this that you only pick up through experience or reading these forums. My advice would be to acquaint yourself with the de jure map modes so you have an idea of what you're getting yourself into with each new start. For example, while Flanders may be a large, wealthy duchy it's de jure HRE which makes you a prime target. Early on, you definitely want to avoid de jure capitals and conflict zones. If you want to be a Count that's fine, but try and pick something that's sheltered within the confines of a large realm, such as the HRE or ERE.
 

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Lol, I had the strangest experience with this. I was about to post a complaint just like yours the other night, but then something amazing happened. Since the latest patch, I keep losing the game because of getting my titles revoked by my Liege Lord...until this last playthrough.

I'm playing ironman with a 1066 start as a count under the Jerusalem "Duke" under the Egyptian Sultanate. I am in the Jerusalem kingdom, not dejure anything with my Liege's Liege Lord. However no matter what I tried (3 restarts), I always ended up becoming a duke and then getting my vassals, duchy title, and or county titles taken away by the Egyptian Sultanate. Here's the crazy account of my 4th attempt, which turned out very different.

I did everything to keep my Liege Lord happy, including switching religion and culture, constantly marrying daughters to him, etc. I only took de jure holdings in a single duchy, nothing else. I managed to fabricate a claim on Damascus, with the goal of getting out of Jerusalem Kingdom and into the Syrian Kingdom for later independence plans. My initial efforts internally peaked when I had the duchy of Ascalon, duchy of Damascus, and was working on collecting the duchy of Syria counties from external lords. I was very close to securing enough de jure land to claim independence and then form the kingdom of Syria when my Liege Lord got hammered by the Byzantine Empire. So I declared independence and easily won my independence war.

Finally, I thought I had found a way to win in Conclave and the new patch. However, shortly after, he declared war on me to reclaim the duchy of Damascus counties. I had plenty of troops and mercs and was winning the war easily. He was retreating, and I was chasing his scattered retreat army. White Peace was an option (I would regret not taking soon after), but then I saw I would gain almost 1000 gold if I won and I needed/wanted the gold. When I caught up to his shrinking army, I was surprise attacked by a MASSIVE merc army he had just raised. I got crushed, lost the war, lost Damascus, then his dukes crushed me again and took Ascalon counties. My once fledgling nation on the verge of a kingdom was reduced to 3 counties trapped between the Byzantine Empire, the Seljuk (Persian) Sultanate, and the Fatimid (Egyptian) Sultanate. I was ready to quit and try again because there was no where to go from there...

But I was still fuming about having all my counties taken away. I still had both duchy titles, they had not been usurped, just the counties were gone. I got the idea that I could try to get my counties back internally. So I swore allegiance to the Egyptian ruler to go back into his kingdom. I took the chance he wouldn't revoke the rest of my titles and end my campaign when I made him my liege. I used my still intact claims to start taking back my counties internally one by one. Then the strangest thing happened.

In previous attempts, I also had problems with decadence, so this time I had been grooming my main heir each generation to be the ultimate spy to deal with decadent relatives. All the rest of my male family members were always trained in the faith to try to keep their decadence in control. Just when I was making progress regaining my counties internally, the world turned upside down, setting off a chain of events I never expected. My intrigue heir died at 26 of pneumonia and I died shortly after. My 2nd son, a Mastermind Theologian, took over. The Egyptian Sultanate had his "install full council power" faction fire and he chose to give up control. Because it's Shia rule and I'm now strangely the vassal with the highest Learning score, I became the new Caliphate!


tldr: Expanded my county holdings internally. Became independent from Egypt. Got crushed by Egypt reclaiming counties. Lost almost everything. Swore allegiance back into my Liege's kingdom. My best heir died, then I died. New heir had very high Learning. Council faction revolted, and installed me as new Caliphate due to highest learning. 100 years of hard work was undone in a single generation, only to have the whole Egyptian Sultanate handed to me through the "wrong" heir.
 
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Looks to me like k_castille has c_burgos as his capital in the 1066 starts.

Joining his wars as a vassal doesn't make him like you any more. Send your chancellor to his court to improve relations. Send him gifts, if you can afford it.

None of this will make any difference if he holds his liege's de Jure capital and the liege has the power to take it. The only thing that will reliably deter the liege from attempting to take this title by force is if you can match him in force. Try to arrange alliances to protect yourself. Otherwise, the next game you start, think twice about starting as a count who holds (and can not defend) his liege's de Jure capital.
 

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On the flip side, if the liege has an extra duchy title to hand out they tend to give it to the de jure capital holder (if they like them) which can give quite a boost to your early game.
 

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Great story, just had to comment on this:

White Peace was an option (I would regret not taking soon after), but then I saw I would gain almost 1000 gold if I won and I needed/wanted the gold. When I caught up to his shrinking army, I was surprise attacked by a MASSIVE merc army he had just raised. I got crushed, lost the war, lost Damascus, then his dukes crushed me again and took Ascalon counties. My once fledgling nation on the verge of a kingdom was reduced to 3 counties trapped between the Byzantine Empire, the Seljuk (Persian) Sultanate, and the Fatimid (Egyptian) Sultanate. I was ready to quit and try again because there was no where to go from there...

Protip: If they could afford the 1000 gold war fines, they can probably afford spending that merc army in a pinch to save their own hide :D
 
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