Liege Granting You a Title?

[FromasterG]

I was wondering if your liege would ever give you a title. For instance, he might give you a duchy if you are a powerful, loyal count or vice-versa. I remember in one of the earlier Mini-AARs the writer said that the king granted him a duchy, but I was wondering if that is all that common.

I never got a title from my liege in CK1 (granted, I hardly ever had a liege for long). They seemed more interested either in making counts and dukes out of wives, mothers, or random people in their court or keeping it all to themselves even when they had far too many provinces to manage. It didn't matter if I had the duke title but none of the de-jure land. Was I just missing out, or did it ever happen in that game either?

Anyway, If anyone could answer my question, I would be highly appreciative.

 

[Cuthuthulu]

As Aargu my liege granted me a Duchy title. Didn't do me any good though since I still had only 1 county and no vassels. It's the thought that counts I guess.

 

[Maleficus]

When I was playing the demo as Godwin Haroldson (shortly after Harold got killed by the bastard) I ended up losing the war to William (who for some reason only took the south, leaving the north for Harald) but held on to about 7 counties (the best ones, thanks to the 'recently conquered' malus in the ones William took). He then made me even stronger by granting me a couple more counties in recognition of my loyal and dutiful service or some nonsense. This meant I had more military capability than everyone else in the kingdom combined, and I promptly stabbed him in the back and reclaimed my rightful throne as soon as he buggered off on crusade to Spain (which was about 2 weeks after he became king).

So the short answer is yes, AI lieges will grant titles, and aren't always that smart about it...

 

[Malkara]

As Aargu my liege granted me a Duchy title. Didn't do me any good though since I still had only 1 county and no vassels. It's the thought that counts I guess.

If you have the Duchy and one of the counties in your de jure borders is a direct vassal of your liege, you can request for him to transfer their vassalage to you.

 

[fenwayb]

If you have the Duchy and one of the counties in your de jure borders is a direct vassal of your liege, you can request for him to transfer their vassalage to you.

but I think he gave him Thuringia, which only has 2 regions, neither of which are direct vassals of the hre (one is owned by the hre himself and the other is part of Brandenburg IIRC)

 

[unmerged(19220)]

As Lancaster the King gave me a dutchy.

 

[Cuthuthulu]

but I think he gave him Thuringia, which only has 2 regions, neither of which are direct vassals of the hre (one is owned by the hre himself and the other is part of Brandenburg IIRC)

That is correct.

 

[Ruwaard]

but I think he gave him Thuringia, which only has 2 regions, neither of which are direct vassals of the hre (one is owned by the hre himself and the other is part of Brandenburg IIRC)

I noticed this too in the demo. So the liege grants you the title of the duchy (dukedom) without granting the actual duchy. I suppose that as count of Aargau you rather would have been made duke of Upper Burgundy. Is this supposed to work like this? OTOH that's basically why the Von Zähringen ended up with the duchy of Carinthia; originally they were promised the duchy of Swabia, but Swabia went to the Von Rheinfelden, instead the Von Zähringen were compensated with the duchy of Carinthia, which was mostly a titular dignity (this ducal dignity was not accompanied by much territories in the actual duchy either).

Edit: I forgot an important small word: not.

 

[fenwayb]

I noticed this too in the demo. So the liege grants you the title of the duchy (dukedom) without granting the actual duchy. I suppose that as count of Aargau you rather would have been made duke of Upper Burgundy. Is this supposed to work like this? OTOH that's basically why the Von Zähringen ended up with the duchy of Carinthia; originally they were promised the duchy of Swabia, but Swabia went to the Von Rheinfelden, instead the Von Zähringen were compensated with the duchy of Carinthia, which was mostly a titular dignity (this ducal dignity was accompanied by much territories in the actual duchy either).

yeah...I think it does make some sense. He doesn't have the Upper Burgundy title to give you, and the Thuringia title is a nice gesture that really doesn't do anything for you. I think it's actually smart of the AI to be trying to limit your power like that