Sure as hell reading! Just a lurker. Continue your magnificent journey to a south american empire. An I am very very very interested in a nice falkland war in the future.
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I read it! I'm just very lazy to enter into my accuent and comment!
it's a great AAR! you put so much effort into it! I really enjoying reading it and you write very very well!
it's a great AAR! you put so much effort into it! I really enjoying reading it and you write very very well!
Don't quit! I always look forward to watching this AAR update
Really good use of graphics, might I add
Really good use of graphics, might I add
Wow, your responses are (in number and statement) quite the opposite of what I expected. It seems my fears of diminished interest were unfounded.
With a bit of luck I will post the 1860 update in the next 48 hours or so.
Ringelnatz, buneres, Colonel Bran & gis: Again wow, four new readers who stepped out of the 'lurker' shadows. Welcome to you all.
Serek000: If anything runs according to plan (which it nearly never does) the next decades will see peaceful expansion and consolidation, industrial growth and hopefully swarms of immigrants. And as long as hegemony over half a subcontinent is not treated with respect in europe we will have to increase our power base
Garra-Ush: That comes with quite some surprise. You've been quite for so long after being so communicative during the first 10 pages or so I really thought you have lost interest. I'm glad to be proven wrong.
Colonel Bran: The acquisition of the Falklands/Malvinas (so now as Garra is reading again I better put in the argentine term as well as the british) is on the agenda I assure you.
On the one hand I would like to buy them and avoid a war with britain over what in real life were just some half forgotten and inhospitable piles of rocks. In Vicky game terms they only have a population of 2,000 and a very low efficiency sheep farm.
On the other hand it would make up a great story to fight a war on the high seas against the supreme maritime power of the age.
When the britains reveal a sound casus belli and a nice opportunity I will surely choose the war path. But please remember that I have so far 4 frigates and 2 commerce raiders while the british have over 120 ships and will commission the first monitors and ironclads soon while this step is at least 10 years away from me.
gis: Thanks for your nice words despite my shortcomings in the english language (for example I always write english instead of English).
Genusaus: Thanks, I try to make the AAR as pleasant to the eye as I can. While it took quite a considerable amount of time to search, edit and comprise the pictures it's no magic at all. I only recently learned to do some editing in Photoshop.
With a bit of luck I will post the 1860 update in the next 48 hours or so.
Ringelnatz, buneres, Colonel Bran & gis: Again wow, four new readers who stepped out of the 'lurker' shadows. Welcome to you all.
Serek000: If anything runs according to plan (which it nearly never does) the next decades will see peaceful expansion and consolidation, industrial growth and hopefully swarms of immigrants. And as long as hegemony over half a subcontinent is not treated with respect in europe we will have to increase our power base
Garra-Ush: That comes with quite some surprise. You've been quite for so long after being so communicative during the first 10 pages or so I really thought you have lost interest. I'm glad to be proven wrong.
Colonel Bran: The acquisition of the Falklands/Malvinas (so now as Garra is reading again I better put in the argentine term as well as the british
) is on the agenda I assure you. On the one hand I would like to buy them and avoid a war with britain over what in real life were just some half forgotten and inhospitable piles of rocks. In Vicky game terms they only have a population of 2,000 and a very low efficiency sheep farm.
On the other hand it would make up a great story to fight a war on the high seas against the supreme maritime power of the age.
When the britains reveal a sound casus belli and a nice opportunity I will surely choose the war path. But please remember that I have so far 4 frigates and 2 commerce raiders while the british have over 120 ships and will commission the first monitors and ironclads soon while this step is at least 10 years away from me.
gis: Thanks for your nice words despite my shortcomings in the english language (for example I always write english instead of English).
Genusaus: Thanks, I try to make the AAR as pleasant to the eye as I can. While it took quite a considerable amount of time to search, edit and comprise the pictures it's no magic at all. I only recently learned to do some editing in Photoshop.
acttuly I've been fellowing sicne you started this AAR, one of the best and most well crafted I have ever read!
Delex is watching this so don't let it end . Your calculation of the GDP per capita was especially impressive, not to mention you do great graphics work.
. Your calculation of the GDP per capita was especially impressive, not to mention you do great graphics work.
On January 2nd the french explorer and cartographer Martin de Mousy finished his voyages through Platinea and reported to the court in La Plata and and French Academy of Sciences his discoveries and results. Thus the first detailed and exact "atlas of the kingdom of Platinea " could be published one year later.
The king and his ministers were now very aware of the fact, that the kingdom lacked an institution for the measuring the topography of the nation as well as a cartographic office. In May the Royal Cartographic Institute was founded by royal decree, the new office immediately began to hire cartographers and other experts, at the end of the year the first groups set out to measure the newly acquired territories.
Martin de Mousy finished his scientific voyage through Platinea in 1860 and manufactured the first detailed atlas of Platinea.
In June 1860 the last of the three planned agricultural colonies was finnished in the state of Salta. The new settlers were foremost magyars, czechs and germans from Austria-Hungary. After the last approved agricultural colony program wound up the cabinet brought a new bill forward to pariliament proposing three new agricultural colonies. While the bill passed the cortes it was turned down in the senate by the conservative opposition. The conservatives feared on the one hand that the land which should be given to the colonists was held by great land owners, which were the main power base of the conservatives. On the other hand they feared an alienation of the rural populace by foreign infiltration. Lastly the matter became a question of simple power politics and marked the point from where on the conservatives tried to blockade the liberal cabinet.
Colonists subdue yet 'untouched' lands in the state of Salta.
In 1860 the industrialization was making good progress. The last of the state(federal/royal) factories producing clothes for the ordinary men was set up in Salta. Another steel mill was founded in Cordoba and a winery in Santiago d. Esterro.
To match the economy's increased demand after trained craftsmen and clerks many education programs were established and especially in Salta, Santiago d. Esterro and Asuncion many farmers happily took this opportunity.
The new platinean factories, from left to right: 1. Steel mill in Cordoba 2. Regular clothes factory in Salta 3. Winery in Santiago d.E.
In 1860 a new artistic and literary current called "realism" became en vogue. And yet once again platinean writers, painters and composer were the avant-garde of this new developments. The great platinean cities along the mouth of the la plata river soon became places of cultural pilgrimmage as they were ten years earlier in the short lived epoch of romanticism.
A canvas depicting a ball at the royal palace at La Plata in the now favored "realist" style.
In 1860 the platinean government had to decide upon a whole bundle of things who would determine the kind and manner in which the nation would be governed in the future. Many members of parliament (especially the liberal ones) were convinced that they were at a crossroads between liberalism, freedom and enlightenment on the one side and hierarchic, oppressive paternalism on the other side. With bills specially tailored to avoid denial by the senate prime minister Alberdi could achieve victory in favor of the liberals.
Genusaus: I'm sorry should have posted one in the last update. here is one I did in hurry from a screensave. Not too good but it will just have to do till next update which will be the Map 1860 update. Yes for all of you map afficionados there is some candy for you in the next update .
Recent map (late 1860) showing the northern half of Platinea with recent gains from the wars of 1859 marked by hatchings*.
*online translator told me so but I'm not sure if its the right term. Meant are the areas overlaid by the lines of darker blue.
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Recent map (late 1860) showing the northern half of Platinea with recent gains from the wars of 1859 marked by hatchings*.
*online translator told me so but I'm not sure if its the right term. Meant are the areas overlaid by the lines of darker blue.
It was not that I got no more ideas, it was more like you started to post more slowly so I didn't check so regular for updates, and when you updated it was like 1 or 2 weeks since you last posted so I wasn't sure if you were going to continue it, but now be sure I'll be back with my ideas and help
Colonel Bran: The acquisition of the Falklands/Malvinas (so now as Garra is reading again I better put in the argentine term as well as the british
On the one hand I would like to buy them and avoid a war with britain over what in real life were just some half forgotten and inhospitable piles of rocks. In Vicky game terms they only have a population of 2,000 and a very low efficiency sheep farm.
:rofl: Good to see this name in an English forum.
But those islands aren't just a half forgotten and inhospitable piles of rocks
It's part of Argentina, and they are also a nice base to control South Atlantic, and you will have nice oil as well as many fish and a place for a good penal colony.I will just say Germany.
Recent map (late 1860) showing the northern half of Platinea with recent gains from the wars of 1859 marked by hatchings*.
Just want to say that Peruvian lands are very difficult to reach from the rest of the country, and they have also an hostile population of mestizos. What would be good would be to divide this conquest like you did in Piratini.
And for Piratini, I will say you should annex them. In Rio Grande do Sul people are Argentineans speaking Portuguese, in culture and way of life. Santa Catarina and Parana should go back to Brazil, because as a stable ally its better for you to have them as powerful as you can.
Also having seen the last post, I can't see my inmigrants!!
Remember that in RL, 4 million settled themselves in the country, and as many as the same amount, didn't settled because of lack of lands for them or job. And with about 2 million more inmigrants going to what was Piratini, Chile, Uruguay and Chile, you should at least simulate those 6/7 million of permanent inmigrants as well of the more you are going to attract. If USA, saw as many as 40 million(I may be wrong), why can't you have, lets say 10, 12 even 15 million by yourself.
The Atlantic Duchies are your puppets, right?
I think the Duchies should be in the Pacific instead in former Piratini.
I think the Duchies should be in the Pacific instead in former Piratini.
gis: all the better
Delex: Nice to have you around, the GDP will not be forgotten but featured in next update.
Garra-Ush:
No offense intended, I clearly didn't account national feelings about the Malvinas. But from a 19th century point of view there wasn't much to gain there: no oil yet discovered (and yet no need thereof), a tiny population, fishing grounds around the islands weren't carved in stone yet, and as a naval base to control the south atlantic argentina (for the whole 19th century afaik) lacked the naval prowress.
That are some good reasons to let the Malvinas alone. And as far as I know no serious efforts were made during the 19th century to regain the islands.
Don't get me wrong I know about the importance of the Falklands/Malvinas due to oil deposits, fishing rights and geostrategy for the early 21st century but in the victorian era their importance was negligible. And despite their importance nowadays there's no reason for hostilities (meaning kind of war) and bloodshed and hopefully thedispute can be settled by peaceful means.
Come on do we germans always have to be the warmongering bad boys? No that it didn't come to my mind but it would be very stereotypical. Nevertheless Germany had no strong navy before 1914 and even then it could hardly challenge the royal navy. We just have to wait.
I neglected the topographic point of view when I mad e my decisions, true. But the new railroads will help to connect the new provinces on the pacific with the rest of the kingdom. The peruvian populaton is really quiet and no problems occurred yet.
Well ingame these duchies are all 100% brazilian, but as I made their primary national culture platinean this might change due to immigration. I took all the provinces with platinean pops as spoils of war.
The situation with brazil is quite delicate as they aren't in a military alliance with me but have their independence guaranteed by me. This way I haven't to fight in any war brazil got involved but can choose if I would come to their assistance. And as far as 1860 brazil is going nowhere in terms of industrialization, military or immigration. (further explanation on why I created the duchies see below.)
Immigrants are steadily coming to Platinea don't worry. But the conservatives will block all attempts for new organized colonies to be set up by the government. We will have to wait until the next general election to see how things turn out.
Viden: After being attacked the second time in only three years whether the platinean public nor the government were in favor of benign peace terms ias a matter of fact the public opinion demanded quite the opposite. They demanded military occupation and war indemnities, nothing should be left to the warmongers to once again rebuild their strength upon.
So a partition into puppet duchies was not an option here, instead a military governor was installed with a wide range of powers to effectively subdue the peruvians.
The piratineans weren't seen as evil aggressors like the peruvians in the first place but it would be bullocks to say that this was to main reason for the rather benign peace terms. Of greater importance is the fact, that king Carlos I. and Emperor Pedro II. had defined their spheres of interest in the Banda Oriental in the treaty of Sao Paulo (ending the great northern war). In which Piratini was put into the platinean sphere of interest but the brazilian provinces taken by piratini in the 2nd cisplatinean war in 1837 (see Pt-II for details) still belonged to the brazilian sphere of interests. And as the 3rd cisplatinean war came to a close brazilian and platienan diplomats came together to discuss the post war order the secret passage of the Sao Paulo treaty became the basis for almost all discussions. But with an ever stronger growing platinean kingdom, giving platinea all the original piratinean provinces, would have put the brazilian capital in close proximity of the border. Emperor Pedro II. wrote into his personal diary "The enemy is no longer at the gates but should we adhere to the treaty of Sao Paulo we will have yet benign panther at our very throat and will have to tread very carefully to not upset his temper." On the other hand the platineans weren't very willing to cede some of the occupied provinces to brazil as they were acquired by the blood of platinean soldiers while no brazilian force had faced the enemy. In order not to deteriorate the friendly relations and not to set up the regional political equilibrium both powers agreed upon dividing Piratini in three duchies.
Delex: Nice to have you around, the GDP will not be forgotten but featured in next update.
Garra-Ush:
But those islands aren't just a half forgotten and inhospitable piles of rocks
No offense intended, I clearly didn't account national feelings about the Malvinas. But from a 19th century point of view there wasn't much to gain there: no oil yet discovered (and yet no need thereof), a tiny population, fishing grounds around the islands weren't carved in stone yet, and as a naval base to control the south atlantic argentina (for the whole 19th century afaik) lacked the naval prowress.
That are some good reasons to let the Malvinas alone. And as far as I know no serious efforts were made during the 19th century to regain the islands.
Don't get me wrong I know about the importance of the Falklands/Malvinas due to oil deposits, fishing rights and geostrategy for the early 21st century but in the victorian era their importance was negligible. And despite their importance nowadays there's no reason for hostilities (meaning kind of war) and bloodshed and hopefully thedispute can be settled by peaceful means.
Come on do we germans always have to be the warmongering bad boys? No that it didn't come to my mind but it would be very stereotypical. Nevertheless Germany had no strong navy before 1914 and even then it could hardly challenge the royal navy. We just have to wait.
I neglected the topographic point of view when I mad e my decisions, true. But the new railroads will help to connect the new provinces on the pacific with the rest of the kingdom. The peruvian populaton is really quiet and no problems occurred yet.
Well ingame these duchies are all 100% brazilian, but as I made their primary national culture platinean this might change due to immigration. I took all the provinces with platinean pops as spoils of war.
The situation with brazil is quite delicate as they aren't in a military alliance with me but have their independence guaranteed by me. This way I haven't to fight in any war brazil got involved but can choose if I would come to their assistance. And as far as 1860 brazil is going nowhere in terms of industrialization, military or immigration. (further explanation on why I created the duchies see below.)
Also having seen the last post, I can't see my inmigrants!!
Immigrants are steadily coming to Platinea don't worry. But the conservatives will block all attempts for new organized colonies to be set up by the government. We will have to wait until the next general election to see how things turn out.
Viden: After being attacked the second time in only three years whether the platinean public nor the government were in favor of benign peace terms ias a matter of fact the public opinion demanded quite the opposite. They demanded military occupation and war indemnities, nothing should be left to the warmongers to once again rebuild their strength upon.
So a partition into puppet duchies was not an option here, instead a military governor was installed with a wide range of powers to effectively subdue the peruvians.
The piratineans weren't seen as evil aggressors like the peruvians in the first place but it would be bullocks to say that this was to main reason for the rather benign peace terms. Of greater importance is the fact, that king Carlos I. and Emperor Pedro II. had defined their spheres of interest in the Banda Oriental in the treaty of Sao Paulo (ending the great northern war). In which Piratini was put into the platinean sphere of interest but the brazilian provinces taken by piratini in the 2nd cisplatinean war in 1837 (see Pt-II for details) still belonged to the brazilian sphere of interests. And as the 3rd cisplatinean war came to a close brazilian and platienan diplomats came together to discuss the post war order the secret passage of the Sao Paulo treaty became the basis for almost all discussions. But with an ever stronger growing platinean kingdom, giving platinea all the original piratinean provinces, would have put the brazilian capital in close proximity of the border. Emperor Pedro II. wrote into his personal diary "The enemy is no longer at the gates but should we adhere to the treaty of Sao Paulo we will have yet benign panther at our very throat and will have to tread very carefully to not upset his temper." On the other hand the platineans weren't very willing to cede some of the occupied provinces to brazil as they were acquired by the blood of platinean soldiers while no brazilian force had faced the enemy. In order not to deteriorate the friendly relations and not to set up the regional political equilibrium both powers agreed upon dividing Piratini in three duchies.
Ok. I just say that the warmongering bad boys are the US. Now and always.
Germans were the bad boys only 1866-1945. Before them there were the French and today we have the Americans as Viden noted.
No such ofense, I was no talking as a patriotic feeling, just about its geostrategy and that having them would mean a great step in having a good navy, as well as that having them would mean less power for the UK there and therefore more for you.
I just said because fish would be important if you exploited it. Its important now because now its exploited, but the resource was always there with its potential. With oil I must agree with you because now that I remember the oil is in the sea.
Germans are not so bad. In fact, I had respect for them because I see them as working and capable people, so I believe in their capacity to defeat the British Imperialism. Also, UK would be very busy with them in a war so thats the time to take action.
I mean of a RL point of view, like saying why the USA conquered the low populated North Mexico and not the rest of the country. What I mean is that its normal that in the game their population will be quiet but thinking as the government would, it not very practical, as that people are different to us(not being racist but culturally Peruvians are mestizos, and Argentineans of European descent), and they are far from the center of the country and the people which are argentineans. Also Argentineans at that time hadn't got a very good view of mestizos or native americans, so they used to erradicate them(which you shouldn't) or avoid the mixing between them and the other people. So what I will propose you to create a satellite state in the conquered lands and make your native americans and mestizo population move there, something like what Americans did with the creek, cherokee, shawnee, iroquese, and most of the native americans in their territory, because it will be a good solution acording to their point of view and by a peaceful way(again not being racist or saying those people are worse than the argentineans, just proposing something less cruel than what the goverment would have done)
Yes, I know that in the game they appear as brazilian, but culturally they at least at this time almost identical to what is Argentina and Uruguay. They ate asado, they have the gaucho way of life, they had most of the same dances, they lived very similar, they also were cattle producers, etc.
Thats is up to Rio Grande do Sul, the southernmost state. Santa Catarina and Paraná were trully brazilian in language, culture and way of life. So that two places doesn't matter. And for Brazil I might misunderstood you, but as you show it, it would make sense if you annex all Rio Grande do Sul and let the other places as duchies.
You are the big man, put those conservatives where they should. Just remember people about Carlos and thats it.
Go Treppe! Easily one of the best AARs I read on this forum, and not just the Vicky section. And I don't even like Vicky, though it makes for some excellent AARs.
How does Platinea compare to the great powers?
How does Platinea compare to the great powers?
No. Tell that in Latin America, Spain or the Indian Reservations, for example.
Obviously, the Germans were the good guys except 1933-1945, when they gone mad.
And the French? They always are the bad guys. Always.