Liberate dissent 0.5-5% fix

[DivineShadow]

This patch fixes the dissent hit when liberating :
http://divineorder.no-ip.com/hoi213lib.zip

(Made for HoI2 1.3a JLQC dont try it on any other version...)

I made this patch because it really pissed me off getting endless dissent just for liberating scotland... (Somewhat....Somewhat....)

Download and unzip to hoi2 folder and run it.

If you find any bugs or conflicts let me know.
Also dont forget to comment in a good or bad way.....

 

[alanschu]

Why would you get endless dissent liberating scotland?

 

[DivineShadow]

Why would you get endless dissent liberating scotland?

If its over 0.01% dissent its unacceptable.

 

[alanschu]

Hahaha.


Someone call the waahmbulance.

 

[unmerged(38177)]

Poor Baby

:rofl: "if it's over .01% it's unacceptable :rofl:

Bet he also plays "Easy and Tame"

 

[AzJeff]

'Endless' implies recurring.

Anyway....
What does it do - exactly?
I want to know what this is before I go putting a hacked HoI2.exe on my computer.

- j

 

[DivineShadow]

'Endless' implies recurring.

Anyway....
What does it do - exactly?
I want to know what this is before I go putting a hacked HoI2.exe on my computer.

- j

I thought it was quite obvious....in 1.3 you now get dissent when you liberate a country this patch fixes that so its same as 1.2 when you liberate.

(Saves you getting 67% dissent when germany surrenders...)

 

[DivineShadow]

:rofl: "if it's over .01% it's unacceptable :rofl:

Bet he also plays "Easy and Tame"

yay?

 

[alanschu]

I thought it was quite obvious....in 1.3 you now get dissent when you liberate a country this patch fixes that so its same as 1.2 when you liberate.

(Saves you getting 67% dissent when germany surrenders...)

Then IMO, you should fix the surrender events.


I agree with the dissent penalty for liberating countries, otherwise people do stupid stuff and liberate half of the USSR as Germany just to save some TC. It's silly and gamey.

 

[DivineShadow]

Then IMO, you should fix the surrender events.


I agree with the dissent penalty for liberating countries, otherwise people do stupid stuff and liberate half of the USSR as Germany just to save some TC. It's silly and gamey.

Yes it makes perfect sense german public would go insane massive dissent and rebel and possibly overthrow Hitler. Just because he had the insane idea to make a load of puppet states in Russia to keep order while he advances east....Makes sense to me....

Still people should have the option to play however they want not be forced to a specific path...Same goes for modifications if you dont like it dont use it.

 

[alanschu]

It does make sense. Especially when the government ministers start wondering WTF Hitler is doing.

The goofy thing is that liberating countries had zero negative effect, and only served to make your Transport Capacity better. The liberated country is suddenly fully functioning (with zero partisanship or dissent.....I'm sure the people of the Ukraine would totally be understanding to having a National Socialist leader). It was a gamey solution, and makes conquest with the Germans even easier. Even if granted independence, Scotland is not going to be A-OK happy by having a Nazi leader.

 

[unmerged(31725)]

Amen,

IRL, when the Southern States in the US decided to "Liberate," themselves, I do believe there was a little more that 5% dissent in the US when that happend....

A few years ago, when Great Britain surrendered Hong Kong to the Chinese, you don't think that a 100% of the British populace backed the move do you?

Or whan President Jimmy Carter "surrendered," the Panama Canal to the US's puppet government in Panama, there were some here who suggested that he might in fact be a traitor?

So a 5% dissent hit for a liberation, I like the rule, and live with it, and see it as a reasonable consequence to liberating a country.

In life to action or re-action is seldom free without consequence....

Just my two cents.

 

[unmerged(49097)]

Or whan President Jimmy Carter "surrendered," the Panama Canal to the US's puppet government in Panama, there were some here who suggested that he might in fact be a traitor?

The funny thing is that the actual transfer of the Canal was the only photo-op that Clinton missed during his presidency. He clearly did not want his face to be in illustrations in future history books mentioning that event.

 

[unmerged(48389)]

Okay, here's what I don't get:

USA annexes Germany, and decides to liberate Poland, Czechloslovkia, Austria, FRG, Denmark, Norway and Luxembourg.

WHY IS THE USA GETTING A DISSENT PENALTY FOR THAT?? YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THEY WANT TO ANNEX ALL OFF GERMANY???

How about instead of basing things on a fixed percentages, every country has a modifier. Liberating Belgium as the Allies from the Axis powers is going to REDUCE DISSENT, because its going to be a accomplished war aim.

Britain and France should pay some for liberating their colonies (But it would not be a huge price).

Japan in particular is unfairly penalized for liberating puppets. Understand that IRL, Japan liberated Burma, Menguko, the Phillipines, and a few other Pacific puppets. Liberating and establishing puppets was Japan's methods for fighting a war, and I don't think they can do that with these penalties (are you REALLY THINKING JAPAN CAN KEEP UP THAT KIND OF TC LOAD?)

Even Soviet Union is going to be okay with liberating puppets (they did do a lot of that IRL) Germany, Italy, minor/medium powers, and released Fascist nations (Scandinavia, Ottoman, Transural Republic) are the only ones who should suffer big for this.

 

[alanschu]

I thought it was already relatively clear that the liberation events at the end of the war should contain negative dissent modifiers.

 

[unmerged(49097)]

Okay, here's what I don't get:

USA annexes Germany, and decides to liberate Poland, Czechloslovkia, Austria, FRG, Denmark, Norway and Luxembourg.

WHY IS THE USA GETTING A DISSENT PENALTY FOR THAT?? YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THEY WANT TO ANNEX ALL OFF GERMANY???

How about instead of basing things on a fixed percentages, every country has a modifier. Liberating Belgium as the Allies from the Axis powers is going to REDUCE DISSENT, because its going to be a accomplished war aim.

Britain and France should pay some for liberating their colonies (But it would not be a huge price).

Japan in particular is unfairly penalized for liberating puppets. Understand that IRL, Japan liberated Burma, Menguko, the Phillipines, and a few other Pacific puppets. Liberating and establishing puppets was Japan's methods for fighting a war, and I don't think they can do that with these penalties (are you REALLY THINKING JAPAN CAN KEEP UP THAT KIND OF TC LOAD?)

Even Soviet Union is going to be okay with liberating puppets (they did do a lot of that IRL) Germany, Italy, minor/medium powers, and released Fascist nations (Scandinavia, Ottoman, Transural Republic) are the only ones who should suffer big for this.

Here's an even better idea. Just create another diplomatic option: Restore Independence. Available under two conditions - the liberated country must have existed before (so just like sunk ships, annexed nations should be kept in the save file in some skeleton form) and the liberator must not have been at war with the liberated country when it was annexed (so, say, Germany will never be able to restore Poland). Perhaps control of the capital and a certain percentage of core provinces should be enough to enable that action. The liberated country should not become anybody's puppet (so no benefits in terms of resources to the liberator) but perhaps a member of the liberator's alliance and its domestic politics should be a blend of its old pre-annexation settings and the liberator's settings (perhaps each slider should move up to three positions towards the liberator's settings). There should be no dissent penalty and perhaps under certain conditions (the liberator's democratic or both countries were allies before annexation or both) there should even be a small dissent reduction and (perhaps always) substantial belligerence reduction. Maybe there should be a dissent increase for the country which previously annexed the now liberated country (since it's a loss of face for their government). Furthermore, if the liberator previously guaranteed independence of the newly liberated country, there should be bigger benefits for upholding the guarantee in such a decisive way. Perhaps there should be a cash bonus (i.e. increase in diplomatic prestige), a bigger dissent and belligerence reduction and all other countries whose independence the liberator currently guarantees should be "completely influenced" by the liberator for free (i.e. have a slider move and relations increase), since they should now appreciate the guarantee much more.

 

[filefool]

That's a great idea and an excellent solution for the whole problem.

But I don't think they can put that in a patch, it's not even sure if that's possible for Doomsday.

 

[Moltke]

Dissent is nuisance but late in the game most IC goes to Upgrades/Supplies anyway, so 5 dissent can be dealt with in a matter of weeks.

 

[Iosoncoluicheé]

I thought it was already relatively clear that the liberation events at the end of the war should contain negative dissent modifiers.

And let's remeber that a democratic US for liberating, say, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark and Norway gets 2% dissent... Hardly a game breaker.
I honestly don't understand why so many people are upset with this. If you like the rule, play with it, if you don't you can edit the file or cheat dissent away.

 

[RDG]

Propably a light dissent should always be understandable for a liberation act. There will always be some folks that say "No, lets keep'em annexed!". The additional option of Restore Independence seems to be a good idea. The only problem with this could be changing governments. If Nazi-Germany cleans up itself with the nazi-dirt and turns democratic, why should there be dissent about the logic following liberation of occupied territories?
The same if the overall nationwide dissent is really high-rising in Nazi-germany, obviously caused be german people targeting a government change to democratic...then it could work the opposite way. Then the dissent should decrease... (Goebbels: "Mein Führer, if we dont do something nice for humanity, they will soon throw us out of the Reichskanzlei" A.H.: "Ok, well, liberate France then, we have no choice", Goebbels: "Jawohl mein Führer, I am sure they will hopefully regain a bit trust in us afterwards" and the dissent decreases some %...)
In my opinion, maybe the grade of the impacting dissent hit should depend directly on the type of government. The dissent hit for liberation in democratic countries should be much lower or be zero, while dissent in imperialistic, extremistic ruled countries should be more harmful....