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What a shock. It does seem like he was banned from the whole forum. Anyway thanks for telling us Melanchthon]Now if only we could get hold of Besuchov.
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What a shock. It does seem like he was banned from the whole forum. Anyway thanks for telling us Melanchthon]Now if only we could get hold of Besuchov.
I have a paragraph ready on the environment, but I won't post it yet untill this matter has been resolved.
Does this mean that we have to wait on Besuchov to make a move? Particulary with all these presidents, party leaders and spokesmen discussions flying around, it's difficult to tell what exactly is going on, especially since very little has been set in stone here in the LD.
No offence intended, I just hope Besuchov is reading all this..
Does this mean that we have to wait on Besuchov to make a move? Particulary with all these presidents, party leaders and spokesmen discussions flying around, it's difficult to tell what exactly is going on, especially since very little has been set in stone here in the LD.
No offence intended, I just hope Besuchov is reading all this..
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At the moment, yes. However, please note that nothing prevents you from replacing Apebe with a new party leader.]
Well then I'd like to nominate hughbartlett party chairman. Also I'd like to vote for hughbartlett for party chairman.
I figure if the three of us vote for hughbartlett he becomes the party chairman. Am I right Melanchthon?
Then he could turn in the party list.
I figure if the three of us vote for hughbartlett he becomes the party chairman. Am I right Melanchthon?
Then he could turn in the party list.
Well I'm happy to vote for myself! [OOC:i may step down later, when i go on holidays if they don't have the net, yay summer! /OOC]
If I get one more vote, I'll dpo it. even if you don't want me to do it, either besuchov, do it, or tim vote for me so I can get the list in, then we can work it all out, its a mess. So, no pres. candidate, and our list is:
1.Besuchov
2.Me
3.Timothy
4.rOver
5.Apebe?
Respond ASAP! Besuchov, if you get here b4 tim does, then post that in the CRO office.
If I get one more vote, I'll dpo it. even if you don't want me to do it, either besuchov, do it, or tim vote for me so I can get the list in, then we can work it all out, its a mess. So, no pres. candidate, and our list is:
1.Besuchov
2.Me
3.Timothy
4.rOver
5.Apebe?
Respond ASAP! Besuchov, if you get here b4 tim does, then post that in the CRO office.
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Please note: since Apebe has been banned, his name was struck from the citizen registry - so he can't run for office.]
Make it so hughbartlett. I concur with rOver's nomination for you as party chairman, and I vote for you as well. I also agree with the list you presented, but if anyone feels that any change is necessary, then speak out your opinion. We still have some time debating the list.
No presidential candidate? A shame, but I don't think we have much choice at this moment.
No presidential candidate? A shame, but I don't think we have much choice at this moment.
I'll post in the CRO office shortly; Besuchov has a few mins to respond (about 1 hour, max, I have to go to sleep sometime you know).
I'll be offline for that time, but when I come back, I'll submit with the modifications.
I'll be offline for that time, but when I come back, I'll submit with the modifications.
I'm just going to knock on the CRO office doors in about two minutes... so, we are ready for the elections! here we go! TO THE LD AND THEIR MASSIVE SUCESS IN AHIEVING FOUR SEATS!
so, we are ready for the elections! here we go! TO THE LD AND THEIR MASSIVE SUCESS IN AHIEVING FOUR SEATS! 
I've been banned temporary for mod contesting.
I'm back now to see that I've been excluded from Eutopia.
Thanx.
If Melanktonn does the necessary I will be president of this party again and occupying place #5 as indicated by our party member.
I'm back now to see that I've been excluded from Eutopia.
Thanx.
If Melanktonn does the necessary I will be president of this party again and occupying place #5 as indicated by our party member.
Unfortunately I was stuck in traffic while recieve the message(OOC: for some reason I could not access the forum).
I am very sorry to here about Mr. Apebe's unfortunate fate. Does the fact that he has joined our HQ yet again mean that his temporary ban is over? If so I would not mind putting him back in the presidents chair if the rules allow that at this stage. If not, I have no problem with Mr. hughbartlett being president since I assume he has by now accepted that this party is far more liberal than his eariler creation I do not believe that I could fullfil the position of president since I assume it might take a bit more time than I have though I am happy to stay on as 'spokesperson'.
I am very sorry to here about Mr. Apebe's unfortunate fate. Does the fact that he has joined our HQ yet again mean that his temporary ban is over? If so I would not mind putting him back in the presidents chair if the rules allow that at this stage. If not, I have no problem with Mr. hughbartlett being president since I assume he has by now accepted that this party is far more liberal than his eariler creation
I do not believe that I could fullfil the position of president since I assume it might take a bit more time than I have though I am happy to stay on as 'spokesperson'.
[OOC: Glad to see you back Apebe. You might want to change the location in your profile ]
IC: You might want to talk with Mr. Melanchthon about this but my impression is that as of now hughbartlett is the party chairman. The right procedure is that hughbartlett should step down and then we could elect the new chairman (or is it president? We do need a party constitution.)
Of course he might decide to keep his position if he wants to pick a fight Now seriously I support you Apebe.
Besuchov: I guess we should do something about the traffic in EUtopia city. It's been getting worse in the last few years.
You won't be president but you might want to get used to the form Besuchov, Member of Parliament
Ok, now for the matters at hand. We do need to present that program. It's election time after all. Yes I know, talk is cheap.
Two small details: Some parties have complained that they are not allowed to post in our HQ. I suggest we lift this restriction woth the obvious implication that they will use this right to facilitate inter-party discussions and will not interfere with the parties own policy discussions.
Would that be acceptable Apebe? Anyway it's not urgent since we should develop our own programme first.
Now I'll try and think about individual policy areas. I'll post something about Foreign Policy shortly.
Also, Besuchov do you think that I scheme where students pay for their tertiarry education through a government-guaranteed loan system could work?
It would cost much less while still giving equal chances for the poor. And better still by making students face the costs of their education we could boost efficency. Just an idea.
[OOC: I think there is a similar system in Canada. Aren't you from Canada Apebe, by any chance?]
]IC: You might want to talk with Mr. Melanchthon about this but my impression is that as of now hughbartlett is the party chairman. The right procedure is that hughbartlett should step down and then we could elect the new chairman (or is it president? We do need a party constitution.)
Of course he might decide to keep his position if he wants to pick a fight
Now seriously I support you Apebe.Besuchov: I guess we should do something about the traffic in EUtopia city. It's been getting worse in the last few years.
You won't be president but you might want to get used to the form Besuchov, Member of Parliament
Ok, now for the matters at hand. We do need to present that program. It's election time after all. Yes I know, talk is cheap.
Two small details: Some parties have complained that they are not allowed to post in our HQ. I suggest we lift this restriction woth the obvious implication that they will use this right to facilitate inter-party discussions and will not interfere with the parties own policy discussions.
Would that be acceptable Apebe? Anyway it's not urgent since we should develop our own programme first.
Now I'll try and think about individual policy areas. I'll post something about Foreign Policy shortly.
Also, Besuchov do you think that I scheme where students pay for their tertiarry education through a government-guaranteed loan system could work?
It would cost much less while still giving equal chances for the poor. And better still by making students face the costs of their education we could boost efficency. Just an idea.
[OOC: I think there is a similar system in Canada. Aren't you from Canada Apebe, by any chance?]
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Nope, I'm from France, not Canada. Big mouth, that's why I got banned
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I do declare during Presidential & Parliament Campaigns our Headquarters Open to every citizen. I believe of course they will act with "courtoisie" while they are our Hosts.
Open the Champaign ...
Nope, I'm from France, not Canada. Big mouth, that's why I got banned
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I do declare during Presidential & Parliament Campaigns our Headquarters Open to every citizen. I believe of course they will act with "courtoisie" while they are our Hosts.
Open the Champaign ...
Foreign Policy (proposal): Recognizing the interdependence of nations we think that the isolationism of our past is no longer an option. Therefore EUtopia should become an active an responsible member of the world community.
While pursuing its national interests EUtopia should work for Democracy, greater respect for Human Rights, the Protection of the Enviroment, Free Trade and Stability around the world.
We support membership in the European Union and NATO(?) as well as the World Trade Organization. We realize the role of the United Nations in preserving world peace and stability.(?)
EUtopia being a wealthy nation we accept our responsibility towards less fortunate nations of the world. So we support the idea of development aid on the strict criteria of good governance. (??)
Please comment. You might feel it's a bit general but I think our programme should be more abour principles and guidlines than immidiate actions. Point out if you feel I've left something out.
edit: I did left out something. The o from good governence. God governence. I think it's funny actually
While pursuing its national interests EUtopia should work for Democracy, greater respect for Human Rights, the Protection of the Enviroment, Free Trade and Stability around the world.
We support membership in the European Union and NATO(?) as well as the World Trade Organization. We realize the role of the United Nations in preserving world peace and stability.(?)
EUtopia being a wealthy nation we accept our responsibility towards less fortunate nations of the world. So we support the idea of development aid on the strict criteria of good governance. (??)
Please comment. You might feel it's a bit general but I think our programme should be more abour principles and guidlines than immidiate actions. Point out if you feel I've left something out.
edit: I did left out something. The o from good governence. God governence. I think it's funny actually
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Please note that you'll have to re-register as a citizen, though.
As to the party leadership: unfortunately, the party will have to hold new elections before you can be re-registered as party leader at the CRO office.]
Good to see you're back.
Please note that you'll have to re-register as a citizen, though. At this point, both hughbartlett and Besuchov can amend the candidate list that was submitted to the CRO office. Please do so by 11:59 pm GMT tonight. Given the circumstances, I will wait till tomorrow night before I verify the candidate lists (checking citizenship status etc.).
As to the party leadership: unfortunately, the party will have to hold new elections before you can be re-registered as party leader at the CRO office.]
On the party leader issue:
It would feel better if Mr hughbartlett steped down, which I assume he wont mind since we most likely would not have elected a new chairman if the unfortunate incident with our bigmouthed chairman had not occured. Do I understand Mr Melanchthon correctly if I beleive that we can wait til tomorrow night?
Otherwise, could we relaunch a new elecetion by midnight? If so I nominate Mr Apebe and vote for him.
On other parties in our HQ:
I suggest the following groundrules:
1. Other parties may write us 'letters' in our HQ. If we answer these letters specifically in our HQ then a discussion can take place here.
2. Other parties may not just jump uninvited into our internal discussions. This includes things like if someone shoud say "I don't want to cooperate with party X since they are communists" then a member of party X should not just jump in and say, "hey we're not!".
On the universites: I the country of Sweden where my ancestors came from there is, i believe there is such a system. Basically studend get in part a grant from the state that does not have to be payed back(less than 200 euro) and then a loan from the state(less than 500 euro) that you pay back with 4% of what you earn after your education is finished. To keep getting money you have to pass a certain % of the courses you said would take.
This is good since it allows people from all parts of society to take part in higher education. It also gives the state back its some of its money when the education starts to pay off while not making it a risk to educatie yourself to the extent it would if you had to take loans from a bank that wants its money back nomather what.
On foreign policy: I support the suggestions of Mr Rover. On the issues of EU and NATO however, I think there might be some dissent within the party and it would do us well to hear the opinions of the other members. I personally support membership of both organizations though.
It would feel better if Mr hughbartlett steped down, which I assume he wont mind since we most likely would not have elected a new chairman if the unfortunate incident with our bigmouthed
chairman had not occured. Do I understand Mr Melanchthon correctly if I beleive that we can wait til tomorrow night?Otherwise, could we relaunch a new elecetion by midnight? If so I nominate Mr Apebe and vote for him.
On other parties in our HQ:
I suggest the following groundrules:
1. Other parties may write us 'letters' in our HQ. If we answer these letters specifically in our HQ then a discussion can take place here.
2. Other parties may not just jump uninvited into our internal discussions. This includes things like if someone shoud say "I don't want to cooperate with party X since they are communists" then a member of party X should not just jump in and say, "hey we're not!".
On the universites: I the country of Sweden where my ancestors came from there is, i believe there is such a system. Basically studend get in part a grant from the state that does not have to be payed back(less than 200 euro) and then a loan from the state(less than 500 euro) that you pay back with 4% of what you earn after your education is finished. To keep getting money you have to pass a certain % of the courses you said would take.
This is good since it allows people from all parts of society to take part in higher education. It also gives the state back its some of its money when the education starts to pay off while not making it a risk to educatie yourself to the extent it would if you had to take loans from a bank that wants its money back nomather what.
On foreign policy: I support the suggestions of Mr Rover. On the issues of EU and NATO however, I think there might be some dissent within the party and it would do us well to hear the opinions of the other members. I personally support membership of both organizations though.
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It's entirely up to your party to decide when/if you wish to hold new elections for the party leadership; there is no time limit, and the CRO has no say in this whatsoever.
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[OOC Melankton, you have been pretty fast to erase me. )
And you shouldn't meddle into party policy.
Where was I destituted ?
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For Party serenity, I will be candidate for Party Presidency too continue Mr. Hughbartlets interim, as I wish this Chair to be a central chair of the Party but not a step to a political carrier. Therefore I wish to be #5 on our list for parliament elections, just to complete our ranks.
)And you shouldn't meddle into party policy.
Where was I destituted ?
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For Party serenity, I will be candidate for Party Presidency too continue Mr. Hughbartlets interim, as I wish this Chair to be a central chair of the Party but not a step to a political carrier. Therefore I wish to be #5 on our list for parliament elections, just to complete our ranks.
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