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I can agree to this, but as head of social policy, I support either no alliance or with the RD, because the FR has a long way to go towards being liberal socially.

I also have realised that it would be pointless to run a candidate (see above), and in my opinion we should support the party with the best proposals. At the moment, I am again leaning towards the RD, both due to their proposals and the experience mr. murmurandus has.

I suggest we talk about alliances after the election, but it would be good to get the presidential support worked out; because we will almost definently not win, and shall detract votes away from the party we wish to support.
 

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I nearly forgot! welcome r0ver! Yayay! I hope that you can help with our foreign affairs, and as head of the social wing, I hope that we can work together for liberty in our land.
 

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Originally posted by hughbartlett
I nearly forgot! welcome r0ver!

Thanks a lot.

Somehow I expected you to say what you did. But then we have not only DP by hanging and drug usage but also a massive state run industry. Quite frankly EUtopia is more or less the opposite of what we would like to see. Whichever way we will lean to there will be a lot we can do.
Even though I respect Mr. Murmandus as a person [and I certainly respect to the person behind the user] his political views are not exatly moderate. If anything he is a bit of a socialist ;)
OTOH I don't know much about ret. Col. Jacob Lundgreen the presidential candidate of the FRP so it's nolt an easy choice for me personally.

On a more strategic level we as a party will have to make a decision. Either we side with one party practicly forever (this would most likely be the RD) and try to influence them towards our position or change sides as the strenght of other political forces change. I believe that even though the second involves putting our various principles on hold at times it also promises great benefits.

Perhaps it does not come as a surprise that I support this approach.
 

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Originally posted by hughbartlett
I can agree to this, but as head of social policy, I support either no alliance or with the RD, because the FR has a long way to go towards being liberal socially.

I agree on this one. I also agree on your point that we shuold discuss alliances after the elections. The RD seem to be the obvious choice to cooperate with.

But I do think we should have a presidential candidate, like other parties, because it will give the party something easy to identify it by. (In this case, the candidate.) By this, the LD will become something more than just an alternative to the two other parties. I t becomes a living, breathing thing, with a program and with people to implement it.

Welcome to the LD, rOver!
 

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I'm 75% againts a presidential candidate, for reasons above, but I think besuchov sho7uld be #1 on the list if we dont field a presidential candidate. Party vote, apebe? I suggest starting now and untill midnigt friday GMT? Question: Should we field a presidential candidate. You call it if you think its a good idea.
 

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Good point Timothy. But the downside is that we will have no influence on the outcome. So if think that one of the candidates is clearly better we definitely should support him. If we go for our own candidate Besuchov is a good choice I think.
Anyway the RD-FR coalition seems a done deal (unless we are willing to pull out something drastic).
edit: That is a clear coalition offer with a common program and a support for the candidate.
Of course we will still be able to fight for our principles in the parliament even cooperating with the goverment parties when neceserry.
 
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Well I forgot about his:

One point we will have to focus on is policies. I have some ideas on education financing and crime and justice. I'll post them when I'll have a bit more time. (Which will be tomorrow most probably)
 

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Sorry about entering your HQ without asking first but...

I would like you so look to the ECL Thread to see the finalized platform and comment where in your, or them ( mine ) HQ so we may, have a productive chat about it.


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rOver: Why would have 'no influence on the outcome'? Our influence is to be dependant on the amount of votes scored in the coming elections, not the size of the parties? Or do you mean something else. Anyway, we're a small party, so few people have to do more work. Speaking of which, what exactly can I do at the moment? And what would be the best format to present my work in? Do we need an elaborate party-program, or more ideological content?

If we're to vote for a presidential candidate, Besuchov get my vote.

Apebe: Like the logo, it leaves me with a 'classical' impression of liberalism.
 

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Originally posted by Timothy
Apebe: Like the logo, it leaves me with a 'classical' impression of liberalism.

hem .. I'm not sure to understand ... does that mean you like it OR that like the rest, the logo is too classical :confused:

I'm in favor of having our own candidate. If we do a good campaign ( i.e. reach non affiliated voters) we can increase our status of small party to alternative party.

Timothy, Besuchov ... we have forgotten many subjects in our volunteery small program. But our platforms needs to be wider...:)
 

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I think it would be better to be in a government with the RD and have the FR with no influence then have them in a grand coalition, and us being the onlt other party, not in government!

I support Besuchov if we do run a candidate, but I think, like timothy, that it would not be wise to do so; we should concentrate on getting seats in parliament so as to implement our suggestions.
 

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Timothy: You might have misunderstood me. I said that we have little chance to influence the outcome of the presidential election with our own candidate. I certainly expect the party to wield strong influence in the parliament.
Especially since we field over 20% of all members in registered parties, which in my view makes us a strong medium sized party.
On what we should do now. Well first of all we need party program. It does not need to be too specific but it would be nice to have a few sentences to say on all issues. We could start with a list of issues like Constitutional Issues; Defense and Foreign Policy; Economy; Welfare and Social Security; Education; Health Servivce; Crime and Justice; Imigration; Environment; Party Organization. Please add more if you feel I've left out something important.
I know that most of these issues have already been discussed in the thread but we need to put out a short yet mostly complete program. This would make both discussion with other parties and attracting new members easier.

Also we have some urgent matters to discuss. We will have to decide if we want a presidential candidate. I think the Chairman should put it for an official vote before the party and than publish the results. Also it would be nice if Besuchov could confirm that he does indeed want to run for President.
If we should decide against running our own candidate we will have to chose between supporting Murmandus or Jacob-Lundgreen.
We have to discuss and decide whether we want an alliance before the elections. The consensus does seem to be no here.

Also it would be nice to have a party newspaper to report on the party. Later we could use it to publicize our position on various issues that come up in parliament rather then make our simpathizers run through the whole party thread. Any volunteers? ;)

Apabe: Could you update the party membership thread?
FR now has 10 members, RD 8 and LD 5 according to first posts. Data on other parties is sketchy, but the number of EUtopian citizens is 44 so party penetration is just above 50%.

Well that's all for now I think.
 

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Yep, I agree with all that, and I'll get to work on our social policies, and get you all to confirm support for them. Mostly, I will use old ERP ones, with a few modefications.

About the paper: I would love to do it, but as I am an editor of the PI, I am unable. The laws of the game state that we can only have 1 editorialship, or create 1 news outlet.:rolleyes:

Also, if we do field a candidate, I hope besuchov wans to run, he seems to be of solid character and, although he isn't online as much as others, he is capable of running the tasks of the presidential office.

If we don't field a candidate, we don't HAVE to support either party for president, I think we should have an individual concience vote if the situation arises that we have no candidates. Also rOver and Apebe, can you finalise our list? Need it soonish...
 

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Originally posted by hughbartlett
Yep, I agree with all that, and I'll get to work on our social policies, and get you all to confirm support for them. Mostly, I will use old ERP ones, with a few modefications.

About the paper: I would love to do it, but as I am an editor of the PI, I am unable. The laws of the game state that we can only have 1 editorialship, or create 1 news outlet.:rolleyes:

Also, if we do field a candidate, I hope besuchov wans to run, he seems to be of solid character and, although he isn't online as much as others, he is capable of running the tasks of the presidential office.

If we don't field a candidate, we don't HAVE to support either party for president, I think we should have an individual concience vote if the situation arises that we have no candidates. Also rOver and Apebe, can you finalise our list? Need it soonish...

Presidential candidate, if we have one: Besuchov

List: Besuchov, Apebe, Me, Timothy, rOver.

Anyone want to change this a bit, feel free, but we only have two days. I would yet again like to strees my preference to not have a presidential candidate. Maybe the party members could get back to me? It is already the 11th... Also, if i put your name on the list and you dont want to run, ill move you to the bottom of the list, we may get lucky and win 5 spots; it IS possible :D
 

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Here is my idea about the party list. Let's ask everyobody if he wants to run. If no he goes to the end of the list. Those who do want to run will be ranked according to there date of joining (to the party).
So for now it would look like this:

1. Besuchov
2. hughbartlet
3. Timothy
4. rOver
5. Apebe

As Apebe placed himself at the end of the previous list so I guess he does not want to run. Of course if he does he would get first place. This is politics so there's no need to be shy :)

Actually this is the list you gave only assuming that Apebe does not want to run and reserving the first place for him if he does.

I do not support a concience vote on presidency. That is I do support everyone's right to vote for whoever they want. But I think we as a party should send out a signal to our members and our supporters. Of course it is ultimately up to them if they follow it or not and I won't hold it against anyone if he or she doesn't.

Some news on my talks. (Well it's not exactly new but anyway)
The FR agreed to leave out abortion and DP of any coalition settlement. Which means that we could with the support of the RD push our agenda through even while we are in coalition with the FR. Actually what Mr. Ghalloglaigh said the view of the FR was that this is a concience issue. He also expressed that this had been the FR's view all the way.
I do think that this puts a LD-FR coalition into a new perspective. But of course it is quite early to discuss this. I actually think the RD might just get the absolute majority (or at least six seats) Even though everyone seems to think that the FR is stronger becouse they have more members.
 

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Apebe: Don't forget that as party chairman it is your responsibility to post the party list and the name of our presidential candiate (if we have one) in the at the Chief Registration Officer .
Deadline is tomorrow midnight in GMT. That is 29 hours from now if I'm not terribly mistaken.
 

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[OOC:Why was he banned/ what did he do? /OOC]

Due to these shocking, surpising and unfortunate circumstances, I believe that rOver should post the list he just had, without president, at the CRO. I would do it, but I am not sure it is my place in the party. If it is not done in 8 hours, then I will do it.
 

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Originally posted by hughbartlett
[OOC:Why was he banned/ what did he do? /OOC]
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I don't know, sorry.]
Due to these shocking, surpising and unfortunate circumstances, I believe that rOver should post the list he just had, without president, at the CRO. I would do it, but I am not sure it is my place in the party. If it is not done in 8 hours, then I will do it.
Two quick comments, if I may:

- the ban on Apebe means that your party needs to get a new President/Spokesperson; otherwise, the LD may lose its registration. Given the circumstances, I'll be happy to give you some time to elect someone else.

- candidates can be registered by the party leader or deputy leader (here: Besuchov).

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