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If you can't afford that, then you are in no position to create retinue in the first place. How is it that you can build retinue with such a small realm?
I am Emperor of Britannia though. I have the full British mainland, 6 gold income. Unless these retinue upkeep cost numbers are bullshit, i can only afford a couple of thousand skirmish soldiers.
 

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I am Emperor of Britannia though. I have the full British mainland, 6 gold income. Unless these retinue upkeep cost numbers are bullshit, i can only afford a couple of thousand skirmish soldiers.
In my Britannia game I was making about 27 gold before I started eat up France (I went Fraticelli so could Holy War them), what are your laws? Sounds like you need to increase taxes on people.
 

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In my Britannia game I was making about 27 gold before I started eat up France (I went Fraticelli so could Holy War them), what are your laws? Sounds like you need to increase taxes on people.
Medium crown authority, high city tax, no vassal tax, no church tax. I'm afraid of collapse after succession because my kings are fairly mediocre. I have NEVER, not in my whole 220hrs of game time, put up vassal tax. Its the year 1120 in my current playthrough, no rebellions since i became King (started as Earl of Atholl) then Emperor, but I still don't want to risk it. I'm guessing that vassal tax gives a huge boost 0_0, i will try it later today.
 

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Well, I started as count of Brandenburg, 1066, and got myself HRE.

Are you taxing your nobles?
Are you playing with CK2+? Money is much harder to come by in that mod
 

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Medium crown authority, high city tax, no vassal tax, no church tax. I'm afraid of collapse after succession because my kings are fairly mediocre. I have NEVER, not in my whole 220hrs of game time, put up vassal tax. Its the year 1120 in my current playthrough, no rebellions since i became King (started as Earl of Atholl) then Emperor, but I still don't want to risk it. I'm guessing that vassal tax gives a huge boost 0_0, i will try it later today.

You should look to ways to increase your income. As emperor, that should be very easy. Gain new land and keep it, plots to revoke counties, use free investiture and crank up church taxes, build the money-generating buildings in your castles, try to get a doge vassal, etc.
 

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Medium crown authority, high city tax, no vassal tax, no church tax. I'm afraid of collapse after succession because my kings are fairly mediocre. I have NEVER, not in my whole 220hrs of game time, put up vassal tax. Its the year 1120 in my current playthrough, no rebellions since i became King (started as Earl of Atholl) then Emperor, but I still don't want to risk it. I'm guessing that vassal tax gives a huge boost 0_0, i will try it later today.
Tax nobles, at least at minimum rate.

Your situation is quite unusuall, you should be fine after you get decent rulers and laws.
 

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Medieval Blizkrieg

Retinues, for large countries allow extreemly fast campaigns.

I noticed that when Reconquering Spain as HRE, when you have 1 stack of 25+k, mostly archers, you declare war, you enter the province, you assault, beat enemy army almost instantly, a few assaults again and peace deal.

For a 3 province ducies, campain usually lasts 3-4 month, with 2-4k cassualties.

With 50k of retinues you could finish in 2 months pretty reliably.
 

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As was said, if you're short on money, you should try taxing your nobles. They don't tend to be too happy about it though.

You can run church taxes (25% I think?) for no opinion penalty with the clergy, so any bishops, prince-bishops, P-ABs who report directly to you will also pay you taxes (assuming they don't like the pope more). Not a whole lot individually, but it helps. You may want to think about putting some doges into power in same culture and religion de jure duchies though. Those guys make mad cash and pay a lot of taxes, although they get a big opinion malus for wrong government type.
 

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Levies got the cultural buildings bonus, don't know if retinues get that bonus? If they don't then levies are stronger.

In my experience Retinues get any cultural bonuses from their owner's capital.
 

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Cultural retinues also get a combat bonus equivalent to the fully upgraded cultural building automatically.
 

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Where the hell am i supposed to get 1 gold a month to pay 500 men in 1100?
Easy if you know how:
As soon as you start the game,
1. Use 'matchmaker' tool from mod section on your savegame and search for men of your religion with at least 1 claim and invite to your court, appoint as your steward. then assign him to increase income in your county.
2. Even if you are a count, revoke your church vassal
3. As soon as you can revoke the city vassal too, increasing your demesne to 3
4. Do the initial castle/harbour/town upgrades on 3 holdings and you should be over 10 gold pretty soon.
 

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1. Use 'matchmaker' tool from mod section on your savegame and search for men of your religion with at least 1 claim and invite to your court, appoint as your steward. then assign him to increase income in your county.

You forgot to mention to pick somebody with a high stewardship. .p
 

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I think you may have misunderstood how retinues are paid - you only pay for them when they're reinforcing, they don't cost you gold when they're just sitting around.
Hm right, I never knew that. Sadly these things aren't explained well so i never had reason to find out.
 

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Hm right, I never knew that. Sadly these things aren't explained well so i never had reason to find out.
You should check the tooltips for new features. Otherwise you might miss lot of the changes in dlc's.