Let's talk about Chinese technological inferiority.
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Competition between smaller states brings faster progress than the mostly internal struggles of massive empires. The reason for China's technological regression was paradoxically it own success. Had it collapsed and splintered the way the Roman Empire did then maybe it could have overtaken Europe in technological progress. Rome was for the most part technologically stagnant, most of it's advances came from the Greek sciences of the Hellenistic Alexandrian and earlies Greek City States periods. The Romans burned down the library in Alexandria twice, bringing the collective knowledge of mankind in the fields of math and science massively down.
The collapse of the Western Roman Empire brought what we now call the "Dark Ages", during which even more of the preserved Greek knowledge was lost. Eventually though it lead to a refurbishment of science and philosophy in the West.
The collapse of the Western Roman Empire brought what we now call the "Dark Ages", during which even more of the preserved Greek knowledge was lost. Eventually though it lead to a refurbishment of science and philosophy in the West.
The Roman empire was the fastest period of progress in the ancient world. The golden era of ancient greek mathematics started right before Roman rule and continued unabated until the 4th or 5th century. The great period of Greek engineering happened completely under Rome including the greatest Greek engineer. The non-Greek romans were fantastic engineers in their own right. Roman roads and bridges still stand today which is exceptionally noteworthy construction for something that isn't a temple or monument or other vanity. Rome harnessed wind power and harnessed water power in ways that hadn't been done previously. The Roman fleet allowed for economies of scale of staples not just luxuries, a very remarkable thing for the era. Most importantly though was Rome transferred knowledge. Greek sources are known to us today because Roman citizens preserved the work and expanded on those works.
Sarcasm is such a difficult thing to convey across the interwebs.
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How do you invent a type of electromagnetic radiation. That makes zero sense. Unless you're talking about microwave ovens, which also makes zero sense, because I'm pretty sure you can't invent a microwave oven when electricity was still thought of as conjurer magic tricks.
If this is supposed to be some kind of analogy it's not working.
Maybe you should have read whole post instead of hitting "reply" immediately after finishing the first line. Despite starting off with somewhat weird analogy his point is quite easy to understand, no matter if you actually agree with it or not.
And that's why he have to use such means as smileys and various tags (/sarcasm).
I'm not sure they're being sarcastic, considering their following post...
Paradox forums have always been red pill miscer bodybuilding mats in the form of fat nerdy kids.
Why? It all translated into a stroke of high-mil leaders for Japan in game-terms so they could tech up better
This is very needed:
Support admistrive/diplomatic/military development:
The supported country will use the supporting country's tech group modifier instead of its own for the field that is supported, additionaliy the supported country will be considered a neighbour to the supporting country in the supported field, if suficent advanced this also allows modernising to supporting country's tech group in that field, permanentat allowing the country to advance its technology in that field with the same ease as the supporting country.
Example 1: Spain supports Aztec military development, Aztec will now pay for its military tech as a wstern nation allowing for rapid millitary development, also as Aztec start far behind in military tech it gets a big neighbour bonus from Spain even as they aren't neighbours.
Aztec still have to pay Messoamerican prices for diplomatic and admistrive technology.
Later Aztec gets so advanced in military technology that it chose to modernise it to western tech, however it is still in the Messoamerican tech group for diplomacy and admistrive technology.
Support admistrive/diplomatic/military development:
The supported country will use the supporting country's tech group modifier instead of its own for the field that is supported, additionaliy the supported country will be considered a neighbour to the supporting country in the supported field, if suficent advanced this also allows modernising to supporting country's tech group in that field, permanentat allowing the country to advance its technology in that field with the same ease as the supporting country.
Example 1: Spain supports Aztec military development, Aztec will now pay for its military tech as a wstern nation allowing for rapid millitary development, also as Aztec start far behind in military tech it gets a big neighbour bonus from Spain even as they aren't neighbours.
Aztec still have to pay Messoamerican prices for diplomatic and admistrive technology.
Later Aztec gets so advanced in military technology that it chose to modernise it to western tech, however it is still in the Messoamerican tech group for diplomacy and admistrive technology.
ROTW exists so that a player at the helm of a European nation can have an easy region to subjugate, and so that skilled players can have a 'hard mode' since you are hamstrung in virtually every category that matters. China/Ming are crippled for no real discernable reason and are the big helpless punching bag of EU4.
It's funny how paradox justifies ming having 50% local autonomy when basically every European nation apart from the (declining) merchant republics were feudal states in 1444; which means they too should have a high floor on local autonomy.
Maybe the Ming will conquer everything in their path without their nerfs. Even if they do they honestly STILL won't pose a threat to european nations, because paradox has done just about everything possible to ensure that the 'Kingdoms of the East' are ahistorically weak in this game.
The fact is that Europe did not come into global dominance until the late 1700s and the 1800s, and it's baffling how anyone can justify 'european supremacy' in the 1500s onward. Inb4 'It's called europa universalis for a reason'; the reason it has that name is because EU4 is based on a board game with the same name, not because it's a stormfront fantasy game.
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It seems like paradox could just change the AI on East Asian nations to make them more isolationist, and remove most of the nerfs they have. That solves most of the extant problems with them, and updating the tech system to have unique trees for each group wouldn't hurt either.
I don't see how it's baffling to say Europe was extremely powerful in the 1500s, when The Portuguese could attack the sultanate of Malacca half a world a way, and win despite overwhelming Malaccan numerical superiority. Indian nations were virtually powerless against colonial powers in the early 1500s, Portuguese ships could engage Chinese junks on roughly a 2:1 ratio at that point, and I don't really need to go into detail about how well the wars against the Native Americans went, but admittedly they weren't in as much of a position to resist as Asian nations were. Was there any decisive Chinese (or any other Asian nation) strategic victory against a European power in the timeline of the game?
I don't see how it's baffling to say Europe was extremely powerful in the 1500s, when The Portuguese could attack the sultanate of Malacca half a world a way, and win despite overwhelming Malaccan numerical superiority. Indian nations were virtually powerless against colonial powers in the early 1500s, Portuguese ships could engage Chinese junks on roughly a 2:1 ratio at that point, and I don't really need to go into detail about how well the wars against the Native Americans went, but admittedly they weren't in as much of a position to resist as Asian nations were. Was there any decisive Chinese (or any other Asian nation) strategic victory against a European power in the timeline of the game?
Indeed, in the battle of Diu, 20 portuguese ships defeated 130 indian ships, with some ottomans ships among them.
And Portugal got so badly defeated by Morocco.
Colonisers got alot of help from natives to defeat other natives otherwise it would have taken much longer.
Russia got defeated by Qing in 1700s.
British army was defeated in Afghanistan in 1800s.
Ming defeated Dutch East Indian Company in 1600s.
European armies are much stronger in game then they were, espacially the capacity to transport ten of thousends of soldiers half the world.
And what is so special about defeating alot of ships with few ships, they may be of very different size and the useage of material could be differnt.
Korea defeated much larger Japanese navies, do that mean Korea is in western tech?
Colonisers got alot of help from natives to defeat other natives otherwise it would have taken much longer.
Russia got defeated by Qing in 1700s.
British army was defeated in Afghanistan in 1800s.
Ming defeated Dutch East Indian Company in 1600s.
European armies are much stronger in game then they were, espacially the capacity to transport ten of thousends of soldiers half the world.
And what is so special about defeating alot of ships with few ships, they may be of very different size and the useage of material could be differnt.
Korea defeated much larger Japanese navies, do that mean Korea is in western tech?
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The Royal Navy annihilated the Spanish and French combined fleets at Trafalgar and didn't lose a single ship. Clearly France and Spain deserve ROTW status too.
Neither of these battles has anything to do with China or the Ming.
This is one of the big flaws of Eu4, the ability to march/transport tens of thousands of troops across the world for zero cost.
Europeans greatest advantage was seldom tech but the ability to use the diplomatic situation in the area to their advantage.