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unmerged(175) · Oct 16, 2000

Dark Knight, last itme i checked Venice and Genoa planned on just annexing other Italian minors and concentrating on ruling Trade.

To Christian Nations:

You allow Christians to kill each other, and see no wrong with it, but if a Muslim kills a Christian there is wrong with it? You are not making sense, you are to fight each other and Muslim states?

To the Mamelukes:

I am Al Djazair, to be Ruler of North Africa. I say we grow strong and absorb Muslim minors, and wait for the christians to attack.

To Christian Nations:

The crusades are over. Before the Pope came along none of you were interested in fighting for them, why are you letting such a minor country dictate so much? I hope you see the errors in your ways and will forget it, for it is a lost cause. They just want those 3 southern provinces. That's it, no more of Europe. He has stated he would rather expand to India.

To Spain, Genoa, Venice, and France:

Surely you are not going to 'Crusade' against Turkey, for i would hate to have to fight you.

unmerged(334) · Oct 16, 2000

TO THE TREATEROUS HANSA:
Poland no longer exists. Lithuania no longer exists. they were replaced by the 'Commonwealth'. the Piast dynasty no longer exists. they were replaced by a stronger, superior Jagiellonian dynasty.
Jagiellonians aren't Polish, they aren't Lithuanian, they're the dynasty of the 'Commonwealth'.

To ALL. Next history lesson, the 'Commonwealth' is made up of Polish crown (which after Unia Lubelsk trety also consisted of Ukraine) and Principality of Lithuania. Jagiellon Dynasty comes from Lithuania. They become Polish Kings only thanks to marriage with Polish queen. Historically Polish side in 'Commonwealth' was always stronger than Lithuanian. The 'Piast' dynast Ruled only Poland before ' Jagiellon' dynasty. West Pomerania which was a independent principality was ruled by family which was closely related to ' Piast' dynast since 11th century. In mid 1500 ' Jagiellon' dynasty was replaced by Polish Kings that were elected by the Polish nobility. That continued till 1795 and complete destruction of Poland.

So as everybody can see. Hetman Polski which is 'Jagiellon' should be removed from the throne. I was elected to be the King of Poland by citizens of that country such as Hetman Sapura general of Polish armies. As a Pomerania Prince I am also related to ' Piast' dynasty.

As all of you see Hetman Polski is so desperate that he allayed himself with Ottomans and did renounce Catholic religion. That is desperation.

To a Pope in Rome.

As you can see my eminence Hetman Polski renounced our religion. I thank you for your support and hope that you future diplomatic efforts in Poland will be directed to me not him, I am the New King after all.

To German Ruler.

Do you here the way Hetman Polski is addressing you. It seems that he has no respect for you. He thinks that he can order you any time he wishes. We had bed relations at the beginning but I am working hard on improving them. My agreement at stopping war with Bohemia is a prove to that. My proposition to Duke of Bohemia should show that I am willing to cooperate. I never show disrespect towards you like Hetman Polski. Please consider the situation very Cheerfully.

To Hungary and Ottomans

If sultan has 50,000 solders by Polish border he can't have any other armies anywhere else. That means attack on him is very possible. We all know that in early 1500 no country could support more than 50,000 for very long time.

To King of Denmark

My friend, do not worry about lack of support from Poland in upcoming war with Sweden. As a King of Hanssa-Polish-Lithuanian army I will support you fully.

unmerged(175) · Oct 16, 2000

Pomerian Prince, Constanople has the most manpower for a province in a game ,i think, i believe it can raise more than 100,000 troops if you have the funds.

unmerged(334) · Oct 16, 2000

To murder and usurp the legitimate king of a Christian kingdom is hardly a Christian act.
And by the way, i'm a very tolerant ruler in regards of religion. My Elite corps of Janissaries are Christians as well as some of my ministers but i don't think you can share such tolerance in regards of Orthodoxes or Muslims.

To all

I do not plan to kill Hetman Polski former king of Poland. I plan to give him to Ottomans as a slave. He did sold many Ukrainians into Muslim slavery and he did ally himself with them. Maybe that will teach him how it feels to be a slave.

unmerged(175) · Oct 16, 2000

What makes you so sure you can take him down? Heck, if Turkey wanted it could probally conquer most of Europe when this is all going on. It starts out with the highest land tech, and constanople can raise quite alot of troops. So if i were you christians i would build up and try to make wars quick and short, and avoid war with Turkey and it's allys at all costs.

unmerged(334) · Oct 16, 2000

To all.

I was under impression that we play this game for fun but we will try to be realistic. I am sure that Istanbul can raise 100,000, King of France, Spain, England or Poland can too. They control very populated countries. But to do that you need to take large loan and pay it back. In real life where would King of France gat the many to draft, train and equip 100,000 man.

I hope that we try to be realistic here if not than Ottomans will always win. they have the most people.

I do not own the game so I can say how much would be max # of man Hanssa or Poland can put in the filed.

Zagys · Oct 16, 2000

Originally posted by Hetman Polski:
TO PAPAL STATES:
From now on, the 'Commonwealth' is a religion free-zone. people will have right to choose their religion. the Pope or any other religious leader has no influence on the 'Commonwealth'.

His Holiness Pope Zagys hereby excommunicates King Polski. All his subjects are relieved of the duty of obedience and no Christian shall treat with him.

His Holiness Pope Zagys hereby proclaims a Crusade against heretics in Poland and their Islamic supporters. This Crusade shall aim to restore the supremacy of the One Holy Roman Catholic Church in Poland, and to decisively weaken Islamic power and influence in Europe.

It is the decision of the Church to support the Prince of Pommerania in his bid for the Polish crown, upon the condition that he abdicate as leader of the Hansa and renounce all claims to Hansa lands. If such a condition is accepted, we may see fit to grant an indulgence to Grand Hetman Sapura for various sex crimes he has been accused of. It is our belief that such an arrangement is in the best interest of peace and stability in Europe, I trust you understand the wisdom of my words. May Christ be at your side.

His Holiness

unmerged(175) · Oct 16, 2000

Pomerania Prince, it can. It is a Center of Trade. France has the most manpower, and you can run out of it. I was just stating that if turkey had the funds it could raise 100,000 troops in Istanbul, he could if he wanted to (granted, would have to pay them low and that would decrease moral). Man power is not unlimitated and you can not raise as much as you want, you can run out of it. But Istanbul is the most populat province, and it is a CoT i think to, so if Turkey got a monopoly on it for a while and saved up...

unmerged(175) · Oct 16, 2000

Zagys, Poo Poo Poo on you! You have to get others to do your bidding for you are to weak. Beware, you are growing to be a skinny grape on the vine, and if it weren't for you being surrounded by larger grapes i would pick, and swallow you.

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unmerged(252) · Oct 16, 2000

Originally posted by APKicks:
Zagys, Poo Poo Poo on you! You have to get others to do your bidding for you are to weak. Beware, you are growing to be a skinny grape on the vine, and if it weren't for you being surrounded by larger grapes i would pick, and swallow you.

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How dare you speak to the Pope in that manner! Get on your knees and kiss his ring, you petty tribal chieftain!

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unmerged(267) · Oct 16, 2000

TO THE POMERANIA PRINCE:
you have problems my dear friend.
the game starts at the end of 1400's.
Jagiellonian dynasty ruled the 'Commonwwealth' from 1386-1596.
when queen Anna Jagiellonka died in 1596, that's when nobles of the 'Commonwealth' had begun electing kings of the 'Commonwealth'.
and I'm sorry if you are confused but we are in early 1500's right now.

ABOUT THE COMMENT ABOUT ARMY SIZES:
maybe the size of my army is unrealistic, but my army is that size in the game.

Turkey has 102,000 soldiers at the beginning of the Grand Campaign. plus an enormous navy.

so get your facts straight before you say another word.
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TO THE CHRISTIAN NATIONS:
why do you listen to the Pope. when the pope ordered the crusades, France, Holy Roman Empire, and England sent enormous armies to fight muslims. how many soldiers did Papal states send?!?!?!?!?!

some people might say that the Papacy didn't send any soldiers because papacy isn't strong enough. well then if papacy isn't strong enough, then maybe a mighty nation like France should lead christianity.

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King of the Mighty Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. decendant of the great Jagiellonian Dynasty.

unmerged(334) · Oct 16, 2000

To the Pope.My excellency, I am so happy after the news of you decision reached me. I wish I could give up my powers in Hanssa but it is impossible. My family ruled Pomerania since 1000 and it would be sacrilege to give it up. Also I need Hanssa as a base of loyal troops that will prevent any possibility of rebellion in Poland (like it happened to Hetman Polski). I need to fulfill my obligation to Denmark and that is only possible if I control Hanssa Baltic ports. I would prefer to reject Polish crown and give it back to Hetman Polski than loose my family lands. It is your choice to decide who you wish to support. Me Catholic ruler who plans to war Ottomans or the man who is their ally.

As to Sapuras sex adventures. I do not believe them. I think it was desperate attempt to destroy his reputation by Hetman Polski. Sapura may be some times very loud and harsh on people but he is best General and patriot ever. Poland and Catholic religion could not ask fore better. I hope that under my rule you will see his best abilities used on Ottomans.

unmerged(334) · Oct 16, 2000

To the Sultan.

This message board is to pretend that we are the kings. But to do so we need to be as realistic as possible. Now pleas explain to me what are the chances that Polish king would collect 200,000 man in the middle of civil war. Specially after he sold whole Ukraine into slavery. Where his nobility (Hetmn Sapura General of army) try to kick him out. As we all know Polish nobility had lots power and many privileges. They were electing Kings since mid 1500. If we do not look at that what will stop me from saying. ' I Have 40,000 man which the best technology from Hassa and 150 warships also with best equipment possible. And that army can kike ass' That would be stupid and not worth playing.

sincerely Pomerania Prince

unmerged(267) · Oct 16, 2000

TO THE POPE:
who died and made you the king of the world?
you can't excomunicate me. the 'Commonwealth' is no longer a Christian only state. It's a universal nation. all religions are allowed.
there is a way you can force me off the throne. you can defeat my army and overthrow me.
you're all talk, and no action. if you're going to talk garbage then you better have a strong army to back up your words up. I know I do.

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King of the Mighty Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. decendant of the great Jagiellonian Dynasty.

unmerged(252) · Oct 16, 2000

The Pope's power is spiritual. He is God's representitive on Earth. He doesn't control me or France, but it is an affront to our religion when infidels make threats toward our spiritual leader. The crusaders were fought because our forebearers believed it was God's will. It was not a matter of how many troops the Pope had or how many France or England had. It was how many troops the Lord had. Ever since the Pope crowned Charles the Great as Holy Roman Emperor, we have been sworn to defend the Pope, and that we will do, all petty chieftains of North Africa can be assured of that.

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unmerged(299) · Oct 16, 2000

Originally posted by Dark Knight:

To the Sultan
It is you who will need to find a place of exile after the combined forces of Poland, Bohemia, Hungary, the Knights, and Venice drive you from the Balkans and liberate Byzantium. The Hagia Sophia will again be a Holy Church.

Poland is already in a virtual state of war with Sweden, Spain and Russia and i have very good relationship with his king. Bohemia is too far and threatened by his neighbours, Venice is commited to Italy and trade. It has powerfull fleet but no army, so i don't think it can help you. As for the Knights, i would be very happy to see them declare war on me.

The Mighty Sultan

unmerged(252) · Oct 16, 2000

Originally posted by Pomerania Prince:
To the Sultan.

This message board is to pretend that we are the kings. But to do so we need to be as realistic as possible. Now pleas explain to me what are the chances that Polish king would collect 200,000 man in the middle of civil war. Specially after he sold whole Ukraine into slavery. Where his nobility (Hetmn Sapura General of army) try to kick him out. As we all know Polish nobility had lots power and many privileges. They were electing Kings since mid 1500. If we do not look at that what will stop me from saying. ' I Have 40,000 man which the best technology from Hassa and 150 warships also with best equipment possible. And that army can kike ass' That would be stupid and not worth playing.

sincerely Pomerania Prince

We are preparing to play a game in EU when it comes out. The size of armies are set by the game.

unmerged(267) · Oct 16, 2000

why would God want to defeat Muslims. Muslims believe in the same God. the only difference is that Muslims don't believe that Jesus was the messiah. but they do think of him as a great prophet.
Besides, aren't we all God's children?
why would God want us to fight each other?

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King of the Mighty Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. decendant of the great Jagiellonian Dynasty.

unmerged(252) · Oct 16, 2000

Originally posted by Hetman Polski:
why would God want to defeat Muslims. Muslims believe in the same God. the only difference is that Muslims don't believe that Jesus was the messiah. but they do think of him as a great prophet.
Besides, aren't we all God's children?
why would God want us to fight each other?

Blasphemy!! Now I shall definitely support Hetman Sapura! You should be burned at the stake as a heretic!

(Remember we are roleplaying 1492 leaders here.)

unmerged(267) · Oct 16, 2000

Here's the bottom line.
When I was being attacked by my christian 'brothers'. the only one who actually stood by me was the 'so called infidel nation' of Turkey.
it looks to me like the Muslim states are much more loyal to their allies than christian nations.

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King of the Mighty Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. decendant of the great Jagiellonian Dynasty.

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