Let's Make 1.22 The 'Slavic' Patch!

[BOSSOVSKY]

I would like a patch 1.22 to be of Slav countries. The area covered by this patch is the largest in Europe. It has two empireses: Russia and the Commonwealth.
In these countries culturess belonging to any cultural group (Slavic)
wouldes be acceptables.
By playing one of these countries one could create the Slavic Empire - gaining lands belonging to Slavic cultural groups.
New provinces and new cultures will be added.
Eg.
Slovenian culture
Lusatian culture
Moravian culture
Podlasian culture
Pomeranian and Slovakian cultures were added to the group of West Slavic cultures.
Countries belonging to the South Slavic group could form Yugoslavia - to defend themselves against the expansion of the Ottomans.

Added to the Commonwealth a special system of government - the Sejm.
A new elector will be elected in it after the death of the last member of the ruling dynasty. The term of power would last until the death of the ruler or his overthrow. The rulers who had had a royal dynasty with their former dynasty left the candidates for the king's election. There would also be special edicts on the rights of the nobility. When they get there then the ruler has more support when it goes back and leads the war of the gentry proclaims rebellion.

You could also create a patch or DLC that would extend the game time (the beginning of 1409 - Polish-Teutonic War).

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

Please join the discussion

 

[TenshiN]

While i am all up for an East Europe rehaul, the way you offer is, well.... Quite controversial
1) Yugoslavia inside eu4 timeline is, well, ahistorical
2) Slavic empire as well, i won't elaborate on this one
3) Sejm? Sounds like what the Elective Monarchy tries hard to represent.
4) New cultures? Maybe, although they will probably be pretty small and not too relevant in game.
5) Moving Slovak and Pomeranian is the only thing from the list i would fully support, but it will look really weird on the map i think

 

[Homusubi]

It doesn't make any sense. Eastern Europe already has quite a few mechanics, and the map - particularly around the Balkans - gets changed quite regularly.

IMHO it makes the most sense to base each patch on the region of the world that hasn't been touched for the longest period of time. That title used to be held by East Asia, but after 1.20, it's now been taken by South Asia, which hasn't been changed since 1.8 (!). If you don't count the Buddhism overhaul in 1.12 and the tributary/non-tributary divide in 1.20, South East Asia has been ignored for the same amount of time.

So we need another Asia patch, in other words, but for the bits of Asia that weren't overhauled in 1.20/Mandate. My second choice would be the New World, seeing as there are still complaints from North American native players that the game over there is pretty dull apparently (although at least Mesoamerica got some love back in 1.10). But Eastern Europe? Really now? Especially seeing as Hungary's getting something new in 1.21? Come on.

 

[OldmansHQ]

I think Orthodoxy needs an improved mechanic. Lithuania needs a few more provinces. I'd also love to see something better for Polish elective monarchy and Sejm. That's it.

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

TenshiN

1) Yugoslavia (united Southern Slavic country) would make sense. Small states such as Serbia or Bosnia alone would not resist the expansion of the Ottomans, or the Habsburg Empire. United give you advice. I know that Yugoslavia was founded in 1919, and the idea a bit earlier, but this state would be a useful and interesting solution. In the game, it is possible to create italy and germany that were created almost half a century after the end of the game.
2) Slavonic Empire, sounds a bit like Pan-Slavinist, but that would be an interesting option. If this does not fit you then I will add:
* Iberian Empire
* The Baltic Empire
*Roman Empire
* Northern Empire (Scandinavia, Britain and Ireland)
It will only be power, and playing them, or against them would be interesting.
3) Sejm - just as I described an interesting system of power.
4) New cultures - may seem small and insignificant, but will be mixed in countries where they will be persecuted
5) Transfer of Slovak and Pomeranian culture is necessary to make this game consistent with history. And on the map it will not look strange.

 

[Mortheim]

By playing one of these countries one could create the Slavic Empire - gaining lands belonging to Slavic cultural groups.
New provinces and new cultures will be added.
Eg.
Slovenian culture
Lusatian culture
Moravian culture
Podlasian culture
Pomeranian and Slovakian cultures were added to the group of West Slavic cultures.
Countries belonging to the South Slavic group could form Yugoslavia - to defend themselves against the expansion of the Ottomans.
Added to the Commonwealth a special system of government - the Sejm.
A new elector will be elected in it after the death of the last member of the ruling dynasty. The term of power would last until the death of the ruler or his overthrow. The rulers who had had a royal dynasty with their former dynasty left the candidates for the king's election. There would also be special edicts on the rights of the nobility. When they get there then the ruler has more support when it goes back and leads the war of the gentry proclaims rebellion.

I want to remind you, that East Slavs are ALSO Slavs.
If you want some sort of "union" you can look at Great Moravia, but, again, it would be ahistorical. Same goes for practically any union that appeared in those lands after timeframe - we don't have Austro-Hungarian Empire, stuff like West/Middle/East Fracia etc.
Sejm IS NOT UNIQUE GOVERNMENT. It is like saying the Novgorodian Veche is government. It is, practically, hereditary elective monarchy, cause they were trying to choose Jagiellons until they didn't have a choice. Flesh out Poland - yes, it needs it, cause there is not enough events about relations inside the state and with it "junior union partner" (who got free in 1492, cause it was inherited by second son).

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

Homusubi

Eastern Europe lacks provinces and there are many inconsistencies in it. In Asia, too, but in China there are plenty of them!
There should be balanced updates in the game. In Asia I am not complaining about the lack of provinces. In Africa and in Palestine should be much to change.

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

OldmansHQ
I agree with you

 

[Zephyrum]

the map - particularly around the Balkans - gets changed quite regularly.

There's a reason for that. The provinces in the balkans, despite every other update doing a quick change, still looks absolutely horrifying. Hungary particularly is the biggest example of border gore possible; when Poland, Austria and the Ottomans inevitably invade it in every campaign, it becomes something so terribly ugly that it kills immersion rather badly. The Hungary patch is extremely needed.

That said, I'm still a bit saddened the entire region isn't getting a proper patch of province appearance fix. Greece needs it a small bit, Hungary is in extremely desparate need for it, Romania doesn't look too great either, Teutonic lands/Prussia have some room for improvement, the ruthenian minors releasable from Lithuania are in the same spot as Hungary. Arguably not part of Eastern Europe but not looking great either is the Levant, particularly around Jerusalem where every province is a rectangle.

Though, I don't think this is a DLC's worth, but rather a minor patch feature like how 1.19 did it to Denmark - made it a lot prettier.

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

Mortheim
I know that eastern Slavs are also Slavs. I do not know what you meant?

The Slavonic Empire is a creation that would appear in the days of imperialism.
There would also be other competitive empires.

Sejm is my loose suggestion.

 

[Mortheim]

I know that eastern Slavs are also Slavs. I do not know what you meant?

Why can't East Slavs create Slavic Empire if, historically, they came closest to it? :3

Still, this is somewhat historical game. There were no sign of such country. If you look at tags which can be created - they at least had place in history.

Too loose.

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

Zephyrum

You're right.
The Balkans is a sandbox to create a province
Greece also lacks provinces.
It is important to remember that ALBANIA IS NOT THE SLOVAN COUNTRY.
Greeks are closer to them.

 

[DanubianCossak]

1) Yugoslavia (united Southern Slavic country) would make sense. Small states such as Serbia or Bosnia alone would not resist the expansion of the Ottomans, or the Habsburg Empire. United give you advice. I know that Yugoslavia was founded in 1919, and the idea a bit earlier, but this state would be a useful and interesting solution. In the game, it is possible to create italy and germany that were created almost half a century after the end of the game.

It makes exactly precisely specifically 0 sense.

Yugoslavia only popped out as a result of desire to be liberated from other empires (and out of geopoltical context thats impossible to recreate in EU4).

If any one country managed to unite other South Slavs, it would keep its name. Without the idea of pan Slavism, or nationalism, there is no conceptual idea/need for creating something to please other people.

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

Mortheim

They may as well. I probably wrote something wrong.

A bit of an alternative, but real.

I know

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

DanubianCossak

It could be.
Then all South Slavic cultures would be indigenous cultures, adding to that prestige and giving it eternal claims to these provinces.

Imperia would have a problem with expansion in the Balkans.

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

Why is it getting so bad grades? My suggestions are consistent with the story, and in addition interesting and elaborate this game.

 

[YuriiH]

2) Slavic empire as well, i won't elaborate on this one

Agree. Panslavianism appeared in the 19th century. Before that, they all hated each other.

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

Why, when the suggestion of the development of the Slave in the game appears indignation?
Why is Asia supposed to be in the foreground?

It is better to expand the game in Africa or Palestine, because in Asia there are many provinces, cultures and systems.

 

[BOSSOVSKY]

YuriiH

Yes, and the union of Germany and Italy?
SAME!!!