Let's Kill Someone - Yet Another MP Game

[Zeitgeist]

Well any word on a decision regarding the France situation would be nice Just do what you think is right GMs.

On another note, I have an edit request as well. I want to release Malacca as a vassal, albeit without the Malacca COT itself (which I would rather keep until someone bigger and meaner than me comes and takes it ). To this end, I've allowed Perak to revolt.... and it's now 6 years later, and it still has not formed a new Malacca for reasons beyond me. So I'm thinking it might never revolt. At nearly full centralization, it should have been under three years...but no dice.

So I want Johor and Perak to form the new Malacca.

I think the easiest way to do this would be to load the game as Portugal, release Malacca itself and then edit the Malacca province back to me (and move the capital to Johor or Perak, respectively ID 676 and 678 I believe). If you did it this way, it would also be necessary to edit back to Portugal one additional badboy, as it would lose an extra point for releasing a province that it isn't actually giving up (i.e. Malacca).

The ID for Malacca is 677.

Thanks.

 

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Neither Johor or Perak are in Malacca's minimum provinces, only in extras, so Perak will never revolt into Malacca, nor will create vassal option allow creating Malacca with more than Malacca. Therefore I would think that you should try to get rid of those two in game engine ways, by letting them defect to neighbouring country or giving them in war.

EDIT: And my current thought as a GM regarding France is to leave it as it is and let players deal with the consequences of their actions.

As a player, not GM, I'd like to remind you that Spain with french and italian cultures would be even more of a monster, so anyone who does feel threatened by Spain (colonial powers, anyone with land border etc) should try to prevent Spain from getting two of the best cultures there is...

Btw Elio, why didn't you request dutch culture when you have 66% of dutch provs? You no longer have the required amount, but you had it for quite a while (4 dutch provs = 66%).

Oh yeah, Elio, would you want to give me Podlasia? For exchange of me letting you do whatever you want with NL, for example?

 

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Oh yes, you may freely give french provs to France via edit if you don't want them, there is no benefit from doing this though, but I think that for example OE might be interested.

Are there any other edit requests btw?

 

[Rythin]

Yeah, do it.

 

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After swift counting, Spain currently has 17 french provs out of 27, which means Spain lacks 1 prov to be able to start the 40 year countdown for french culture. Or more if colonies count, but I think that they should not. Of italians provs they have 13 of 18, so they have already started the countdown for italian culture, I'm not sure when they would be getting it, but checking previous saves should show that.

EDIT: Brandenburg claims Holstein, Anhalt, Sachsen and Poznan as cores. I got Poznan in 1554, but two years early isn't that big thing. Basically I would think that any provs you had gained in 1558 save (you may DL it from stats page) can be claimed as cores.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Well, I kinda tried at least with Perak in game engine ways....
it's been rebel controlled for 6 years! If it ever was going to defect, it would have by now.

If you guys are going to refuse the edit request (which I really don't see as too strange, then I claim Malay culture, since I will have controlled 66% of the Malaccan provinces in 1612...

Really though, I don't want them. I don't want to risk a war with an asian power, and I don't think it's outside the realm of historical realism that a colonial power would allow some areas to be self-governing (i.e. a vassal). The game mechanics don't allow for culture claiming/losing or getting more cores either.... but that doesn't stop us.

On an unrelated note, we should probably start looking for a Dutch player...

 

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I didn't ask NL provs as cores because they are mine since the start (1492).
Maybe I forgot those ones. GM could do it now.
In last session Byakhiam got 6 provs from Poland in 2 wars (I no provs), when OE said max 3 provs to each nation at its border. He said in the game that he would have chosen 3 provs among 6 conquered ones, but I read nothing about it. I was interested in catholic provs there: Krakow (no intention of exchange by BB) and Volyn, but I got no CB vs Poland.
I will get an historical event for NL annexion to Austria in 1648 ...

 

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@Zeit: Well, I would think you find having Perak as owned more useful than having Perak as 1-prov vassal, both because it will allow you to have larger power base there and as it will allow you to have malay culture, which certainly is going to help you if you will want to convert Malacca. Asian powers will anyway dow you for Malacca, if they ever do dow you. But anyway I don't find it totally out of the question, but it would give a cause to have others get rid of unwanted provinces by giving them to some odd vassal country, which can become difficult to edit in larger amounts. It's slightly tricky to edit that which request anyway.

@Elio: No I don't mean cores, I mean dutch culture, which you afaik don't have. Regarding Poland, I did take six provs of Poland, which wasn't forbidden by any GM rulings or anything, just that OE expects me to pay 1200 (iirc) ducats for it. I might pay them some day or I might risk that OE could dow me. I never said ingame that I will keep only 3 provs, I said that I have only taken 3 provs now, when I had done so. I am not interested in futher gains in Poland itself, unless it gets reduced to just Mazovia, which I would happily annex, but I am interested in getting either Galicia or Podlasia from you, as that would give me nice 66% of polish land, not to mention making borders more attractive. You are not going to get NL annexed by event, I think you are confusing it with some other event, so my deal is profitable to you. I would even be willing to let you force vasallize it by breaking my own vasallization of them, if you would like to have them explore and colonize more before annexion (and cheaper cost of diploannex compared to forced annex).

 

[Zeitgeist]

Johor and Perak are pretty poor provinces, which are at the moment non-state religion, adding a base 100 apiece to my stability costs each (and more for reformed)... It's even larger when you factor in another 80% surcharge on base for my badboy (eating malacca wasn't cheap ). Thus, there's an extremely good reason why I don't want them (and why I allowed Guandong to revolt back to China and am allowing Howrah to go back to Bengal...).

Realistically, I don't think I'm ever going to be able to convert Malacca even with Malay culture, unless I get very lucky and it happens by event. Hell, I haven't even been successful in converting my own home provinces in Portugal, and it's not for a lack of trying - out of six missionaries I've sent, only one has succeeded. Just bad luck mostly.

But whatever, I will accept the ruling if you don't want to do the edit and just claim Malay culture and try to do some conversions.

 

[Rythin]

Byakhiam,
When I asked you about giving provinces to my Balkan vassals you did not oppose (I think mainly because you were not person that would do those edits). Conclusion? Lazy looser

 

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Hello.
Few major mistakes were made, in most cases by me. I should have demanded three provinces from Dago just after beginning of massive-siegings. I should have never ally with Spain. I should have never became a GM. But the things are done now and we have to do something about this. I didn't want to write this post, okay? I wanted Byakhiam to be blamed for everything. But now it is time of settling accounts. And there is a lot to settle.

First of all, decisions made are unalterable - you can moan, you can cry, you can shout, the things you will read are final. Sorry. There was just too much talking this time and too less of paying attention to GM's role in the whole game (we have two of them for something, right?).

As for France: restored to the previous shape, excluding provinces of Champagnes, Lyonnaise and Cevennes, that will be given to Spain; inflation to 25%; war exhaustion to 0%; 1000d for both infrastructure matters and colonies; France will be undowable for next 25 years.

As for Spain: 1000d for infrastructure and colonial matters; the WE to 0%; inflation to 25%; three provinces mentioned above; stab to +2; BB for turbo-taken provinces reduced.

As for Dago, I held him in great esteem for what he was doing during the first war with Spain however he sometimes behaves very childish (as well as me, but it is not the point now ). Although I was really pissed off at some point of the game (you surely felt that) I am rather indulgent person and can accept further playing of Dago, but he has to swear he would try to respect others, starting with Spain and ending with me. And by respecting I mean both behaviour and applying GM's decisions. But now I refreshed the navigator window and changed my mind - go and do a goat.

Oh, and I have been told to be subjective. As you can see, no edits to Ottos although I have had those seveteen years wasted on running around France and making new troops. But anyway, I was 'lol useless' so probably I would perform in a similar way even if no war would start. Also, if someone thinks I did all this being afraid of gangbang - I will have Beys during next session so feel free to punish me. Great opportunity, in my opinion.

This time will be tough. I am sure at least two people (I am not thinking about anyone particular) will leave and it would be very hard to find new perms with so fucked situation in Europe. As old Polish saying goes: 'a Pole is wise after a damage'. I could have thought about it earlier.
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Have a good day -- Rythin

Ive already said on ICQ that im not happy with this offer. I dont see why i should give up so many provs for such a small price. Despite what people say my spain is a wreck and this isnt adequete compensation. i can mint 1000ducats in 5 months (depite my pitiful income for the year). If you increase the cash payment on top of the other edits, and give me a free slider change (that war lasted years so i coulndt use my change) then i will accept. Otherwise id rather sell the french provs on my own terms.

 

[Rythin]

I suggest reading last two pages one more time.

 

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Cheech, current decision regarding France is to leave it as it is, I believe you should not have any complaints about that.

Zeit, seems like we have an earlier case in favour already, so it's ok then. *glares at Ryth*

 

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Edit demand
Can i please get cores on whole Denmark.It was conquered before 1550, and if i recall correctly, diploannected in 1554. I need cores on Norway, Iceland and Greenland too.
Thx in advance

 

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Noted.

 

[unmerged(30948)]

No word by OE about BB's conquest of Poland?
I looked for trustable statements and must accept such situation now.
Ok, nothing to say more by Austria.

 

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With Dago squashed, we'll be needing a host for next session. Iirc, you had some hosting ability Cheech, can you host for us? Can anyone else host for us? (preferably at least 256 UL and a good comp, if you haven't hosted before, but want to try out)

 

[Zeitgeist]

I might be able to host. Never tried it before, but maybe it would work. I am based in North America though so it might not be a great idea if most people are in Europe.

 

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Well, it's worth a try I guess and if it works even somehow, it's infinitively better than nothing.

 

[unmerged(7276)]

Does anyone want to buys some french land then? I need to sell some ingame because i need this BB down.

I could try and host. I can usually do 7-8 ok but it depends on the players...