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Well boys. lets have a good old taste of AI insanity. in this play trough i will be a neutral Haiti. Using the pause game and the console superpower i will have a war in south america and will keep watching it without the fog of war.


AI Axis Argentina Vs Allied Brazil.
Historical patch selected.
I added airports to all Argentinian and Brazillian states so they can freely deploy airforces.

All countries are vanilla, what i did was add them to axis and ally respectively once war tension reached 40%.
i pause and tag them to take screenshots and them i go back to Haiti before unpausing.

So now lets how bad the AI is:

1939 the war breaks and poland falls:

Both of them decided that the best way to use their airforces is to deploy them in Europe instead of against each other. leaving the south american skies for birds and love.

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Argentina starts in the lead by making a massive offensive:

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its 1940 and both countries are still on civilian economy. the allies decided to not help Brazil because screw dat.


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in this time of ultimate country emergency against a invasion from Argentina...Brazil decides that the best course of action is to keep its airforce in the Uk

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The Argentinians like the gentleman they are decide to do the same because it would be unfair to have air superiority:

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Facing invasion and with no help from the allies. Brazil decides that it is a good time to send half of its army overseas to fight in Asia and Africa

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to Be fair. Brazil gives 80% of its land army to the british as a expedicionary force and they send them to asia:

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Brazillian smoking snakes are fighting hard in Asia while their home country is being invaded:

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After leaving the entire frontline undefended.... it turns out it was not a good idea:

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both airforces are still operation in europe.

showing huge ammount of common sense the british decide to deploy some tatical bombers there to prevent Brazil for falling. Germany just don't give a crap about argentina:

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27 january 1941 both countries are still on civilian economy. but the path to the Brazillian capital lays open:

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16 February 1941... the path is still open:

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1 may 1941 Brazillians put a desperate defense of their capital. The argentinians still don't give a flying f...:

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1 April of 1941. Bored of waiting the Brazillians leave their capital undefended. The argentinians still don't care:

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After this Argentina decided to pass right trought the capital without capturing it because...why do that ?
Both airforces where on Europe doing nothing.
Brazil kept 80% of its army in Asia and North Africa while its country was burning.
Both got out of civilian economy to earlier mobilization (we are just getting started mate !)
Both Navies kept in their ports doing nothing but drink bear.
The allies refuse to help Brazil because nobody likes thoses guys, not even paradox.
Germany decided to send a single division to argentina, and it did avoid the royal navy and got there by miracle. then they decided it was not worthy and brought then back once they got into the argentinian port. and by some black magic it reached germany.

And this south African navy is here chilling out doing nothing and not moving since 1939:

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That's laughable, I love it :D

Sometimes, you just have one of those games you know. Where it all goes a bit pete tong. I had an experience playing as Poland when I joined the Communists and because of the German AI NF it all went awry. I've also played a few South American games, but I've never experienced anything like that. I think maybe because you tied them to factions early on. Is that with the latest build? I've seen a lot of improvements in my games.
 
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update:

Brazillian capital falls. Brazillian surface navy is forced to leave the capital and decides to redeploy in another port in north of Brazil and stay there doing nothing the entire war:

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Brazillian mighty submarine fleet of 1 submarine just leaves the port and stays in the sea there....drinking bear ? no...really it just stays there forever doing nothing:

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Brazillian smoking snakes are fighting heroically in Italy. while half of their country is occupied by Argentina:

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And Brazillian troops do garrison duty in Africa....while half of their country is occupied by axis:

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All this sounds sadly familiar :(

In my two latest games as the UK, my ally France left the Maginot line almost undefended, with over 20 of its divisions wandering about the Sahara. It let Italy take Nice, with 2 French divisions sitting idly by in the neighbourhood.

Defending it's own country apparently isn't a major priority for the AI. Paradox should focus on fixing that, instead of launching more or less "cosmetic" DLC's.
 
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Argentina decides to give a random part of Brazil to Germany for no reason

Are you noticing that there are almost no divisions defending Brazil ? you know why ?

THATS BECAUSE OF MASTERFUL STRATEGY OF DEFEATING GERMANY FIRST !:

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Yes. this is with the latest build. but thoses bugs i already noticed since 1.0 tried to report to no response.


1- Allied (uk, france and USA) will never send reinforcements for allied nations at war in south america (example: you go brazil axis, go war with central and south american countries. the allies will not send divisions to help thoses countries).
2- The ai will NEVER deploy CAS or interceptors in south and central america, sometimes even in the USA.
3- South and central america navies don't have ai, they do absolute nothing, they sit in their ports and tend to keep doing nothing in front of their ports if they are taken.
 
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Regarding the airforce: To be fair, the air zones in SA are gigantic so both fighters and CAS are really ineffective. If you have time and interest, you could try giving them some tacs and H-ftr instead! ;)
 
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Regarding the airforce: To be fair, the air zones in SA are gigantic so both fighters and CAS are really ineffective. If you have time and interest, you could try giving them some tacs and H-ftr instead! ;)

Its actually paradox's job to fix the game. the air regions of south america are unplayable and break that feature of the game.

Also in black ice south america was broken in many smaller air regions. but they just don't deploy airforces there. they send them to europe and never EVER deploy aircraft in south america. its a AI thing.
 
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Open a thread in the bug report forums and attach as many saves as you can for each individual AI mistake (ideally BEFORE it happened, so it can be reproduced).

Post the link to the thread here and if I can get sufficient data I'll forward the whole thing into our internally.
 
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As I said above, I need a savegame for every of these AI issues, ideally BEFORE * it happaned and WHILE it happens.
It is impossible to tell what actually makes the AI do these mistakes without looking at AI decision making while the game is running.

( * Reloading changes/refereshes some of the AI paramteres, often causing different AI behaviour and outcomes for the same situations. This is also the reason why identifying AI problems and fixing them takes so much time.)
 
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I played a game yesterday where Sweden joined Finland in the winter-war. Curious swede ofc, I turn off the FOW as I play the US. Finland fights alone while Sweden moves troops around at an alarming speed (at most 3provinces into Finland). When Finland capitulates, the soviet divisions sit in Karalia and the Swedish forces sit 2 provinces into Finland, and they just wait for about a year..... :eek: Germany attacks the USSR, all the Soviet divisions stay idle in Finland and the German forces, hardly attack for another year. Germany conquers the USSR in the end, meeting hardly any resistance as they were chilling in Finland. :confused:

This stuff only happens to me when something ahistoric happens?
 

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As I said above, I need a savegame for every of these AI issues, ideally BEFORE * it happaned and WHILE it happens.
It is impossible to tell what actually makes the AI do these mistakes without looking at AI decision making while the game is running.

( * Reloading changes/refereshes some of the AI paramteres, often causing different AI behaviour and outcomes for the same situations. This is also the reason why identifying AI problems and fixing them takes so much time.)

Don't wanna sound sarcastic but when you mean "before" you mean 1 january 1936 ?

because at least 90% of the things listed here happen 100% of times there is a war in south america.

but anyway i annexed my latest savegame here. have fun.
 

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but seriosly. how do i make a savegame from "before" for something like the AI just not doing anything with its navy since the start of the game ?
 
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Yeah, that's why it is so difficult. The only reliable way to do it is to make very frequent auto saves or anticipate AI screwups and make manual saves before you trigger them (e.g. by declaring wars or starting invasions, before certain world events like Danzig or War, Pearl Harbour, etc.).

In case of the AI navy behaviour it would make sense to save before you reach a point where the AI should clearly do something.
 
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Yeah, that's why it is so difficult. The only reliable way to do it is to make very frequent auto saves or anticipate AI screwups and make manual saves before you trigger them (e.g. by declaring wars or starting invasions, before certain world events like Danzig or War, Pearl Harbour, etc.).

In case of the AI navy behaviour it would make sense to save before you reach a point where the AI should clearly do something.

Dude. just say to me the frequency you need the saves to be. week by week ?
 
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