The cheats the AI gets e.g. no naval attrition compensate for the fact that it is limited in other respects. That still doesn't make accepting a favourable peace, or retreating from a hopeless battle cheating.
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The cheats the AI gets e.g. no naval attrition compensate for the fact that it is limited in other respects. That still doesn't make accepting a favourable peace, or retreating from a hopeless battle cheating.
Give it up.
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You have been warned.
I propose a house rule banning the use of annoyogen by any forum-scanning gnomes!
In some weird, twisted way that's got to be some form of ch*@ting!
In some weird, twisted way that's got to be some form of ch*@ting!
1. No movement of troops to account for attrition!
2. Random assaults only, regardless of whether it makes sense! (roll a six sided die and assault on 6)
3.Ignore or improperly deal with enemy and rebel seiges!
4.Offer random provinces in your nation for peace, even if it splits it in half and ruins your taxes!
5. Build random manufactories, or don't build them at all!
6. Recruit troops in random and vulnerable provinces!
7. Allow your leaders to be attacked with overwhelming odds, forcing their death!
Woohoo! If it's good enough for limited artificial intelligence, it's good enough for me I refuse to do anything the AI doesn't do
2. Random assaults only, regardless of whether it makes sense! (roll a six sided die and assault on 6)
3.Ignore or improperly deal with enemy and rebel seiges!
4.Offer random provinces in your nation for peace, even if it splits it in half and ruins your taxes!
5. Build random manufactories, or don't build them at all!
6. Recruit troops in random and vulnerable provinces!
7. Allow your leaders to be attacked with overwhelming odds, forcing their death!
Woohoo!
If it's good enough for limited artificial intelligence, it's good enough for me I refuse to do anything the AI doesn't do 
hmm, this discussion is of course leading nowhere as we all do exploit the stupidity of the ai - thus cheating according to BiB`s definition. I mean, do you send 100.000`s soldires to tirol in the winter just to lose 90% of it? The ai does as it can`t think about something better. Do you send 1k armies to meet 30x bigger playercontrolled forces? again the same situation.
Thus only If we all play and think the way the ai does we are not exploiting/cheating.
Thus only If we all play and think the way the ai does we are not exploiting/cheating.
I figure that if you want to change a game to make it fun for you, go ahead and put restrictions on it. I just hope they come up with computers good enough to run the code that lets the AI have attrition, and the AI offer reasonable peace treaties, and accept reasonable peace offers. And declare war only on those they have CBs on. And act just like players, offering loans, changing sliders, sending gifts... I hope someone's a good enough programmer to write that code. Until this happens, I'll just play the game Europa Universalis 2, which, while not perfect, is quite entertaining, with or without house rules. Though there are a few rules which should be played with... no editing... no cheat codes... no reloading. Those are not in-game things, they are outside of the game. Use all the tools you have in the game to win.
Only a cheater would come to such a ridiculous conclusion I suggest a hands of game as Dakota, that way you can observe the genius of the AI, and learn its masterful art. Damn, I'm one bored monkey. Work is killing me! Ach, forgive me for the highjacking... Hoho, I need a drink
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I suggest a hands of game as Dakota, that way you can observe the genius of the AI, and learn its masterful art. Damn, I'm one bored monkey. Work is killing me! Ach, forgive me for the highjacking... Hoho, I need a drink edit: This post should be an FAQ. How to overuse and abuse the emoticons
Originally posted by MonkeyLord
Only a cheater would come to such a ridiculous conclusion
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You should also make your shamans to cast a great spell named "COLUMBUS" to enjoy it really
eh... real geniality... england sending over and over again a 3k army was what i saw the last time I played a north-indian nation. That they finally won was because they had a 20-level technological advantageOriginally posted by MonkeyLord
Only a cheater would come to such a ridiculous conclusion
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and guess how the war ended? right, I received 25 gold.
Originally posted by Kasperus
eh... real geniality... england sending over and over again a 3k army was what i saw the last time I played a north-indian nation. That they finally won was because they had a 20-level technological advantage
Ah yes, a typically brilliant AI maneuver. First they allow you to ease from the confidence of victory into complacency, then somnolence... sleepy... sleepy... your weary eyes wander from the clock to the game as 2 am approaches. "Just one more battle", you say. Ooohh, England wants another war... yawn... oh, it's so late, but I can't back down from war. You wonder: is sleeping categorically different than not sleeping. In a way, you're addicted to both, right? And what about EU2? Oh yes, another addiction. Perhaps the best thing would be to merge all three addictions into one, thereby masking each addiction simultaneosly, allowing you a strange pseudo-free existence. Then you enter the state I like to call "Quasislumbic-Eu2phoria". Are your eyes closed, or open? Is Russia really that big, or are it's provinces just really large? Is the AI making choices, or are computer choices not actually choices? Mmmm determinism and EU2... everything the computer doesn't do, it can't do... and you?... yawn... CTD!!!! I just saved two minutes ago, right? Ooops, the AI got you where it counts. Now you lost a night of sleep, you realize that your addiction to EU2 is more dangerous than heroine, and you haven't saved a thing. Then an eery electronic chuckle erupts from your PC... The battle between silicon and carbon continues.
While I think there are AI improvements that can be made, I seriously hope they never manage to get a machine to play like a human in a game with as many variables as this one.
The weakness of AI in recognizing patterns is what causes it to be hopelessly inept at games like this one, while a relatively simple game like chess requires many less computations and thus AI proves better than humans at it.
The solution to make the game a challenge to a human player is not to play as stupidly as the AI, but rather to make levels which give the AI considerable advantages. Make them gain tech faster, get cheaper units, have better relations with each other, etc. I don't mind the AI keeping their hardcoded advantages in attrition, interest, and most likely others. I think it's silly, however, for people to claim that using your brain to do things that the designers meant for you to do is cheating because the AI isn't good enough to take advantage of them.
The weakness of AI in recognizing patterns is what causes it to be hopelessly inept at games like this one, while a relatively simple game like chess requires many less computations and thus AI proves better than humans at it.
The solution to make the game a challenge to a human player is not to play as stupidly as the AI, but rather to make levels which give the AI considerable advantages. Make them gain tech faster, get cheaper units, have better relations with each other, etc. I don't mind the AI keeping their hardcoded advantages in attrition, interest, and most likely others. I think it's silly, however, for people to claim that using your brain to do things that the designers meant for you to do is cheating because the AI isn't good enough to take advantage of them.
I play without using the DP sliders, BUT, recently I started allowing some changes. Whenever I get the 'excellent ministers' event I allow myself to adjust the sliders. Unless you get one of those boffo events that goes on for a decade or more, it only results in a few changes. One might also allow changes when an exceptional ruler is on the throne.
I agree with Eddie Teach..... using your brain isnt cheating.... unless your using your brain to edit event files.....
SP:
1. No pausing unless I have to temporarily leave the computer.
2. No reloads, except for CTD.
3. No manually changing DP.
4. No more than 5 RM at the same time.
5. No declarations of war without a Casus Beli.
6. No retreating from battles.
1. No pausing unless I have to temporarily leave the computer.
2. No reloads, except for CTD.
3. No manually changing DP.
4. No more than 5 RM at the same time.
5. No declarations of war without a Casus Beli.
6. No retreating from battles.
There's nothing with pausing - after getting EU the Pause/Bteak key is the most often used on my keyboard.
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As I see it, there is no such thing as cheating in a single player game. Play however you want, as the purpose of the game is to have fun, not to conform to some arcane set of rules. If it's fun for you to use lots of cheat codes, then go ahead. If you find it more interesting to put lots of restrictions on yourself, beyond what could reasonably be considered an exploit, then play that way instead.
Multiplayer, though, is entirely different, as everyone in the game must agree to a common set of rules or the game will be pointless and quickly degenerate into an argument about whether or not people are cheating. That set of rules, though, can be whatever the players agree upon.
Multiplayer, though, is entirely different, as everyone in the game must agree to a common set of rules or the game will be pointless and quickly degenerate into an argument about whether or not people are cheating. That set of rules, though, can be whatever the players agree upon.