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I was talking a few days ago with a person I know who said that Rome could have been a great game, it was just executed quite badly. I share that sentiment. A sequel will give the developers a chance to make the greatness of the concept shine through.
 

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Now clearly, there are better things to pray to God about. But feel free to hope and wish..
Who said anything about God? We're praying to the Holy Johan, praise be, to bless us with plentiful of new toys.

Edit: And thus manna rained from the clouds and all was well.
 

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We can pray to God and Johan, but PI already made it clear they have no intentions to make Rome 2 for foreseeable future :(
Of course, they might have changed their opinion but I am not optimistic... maybe a few more years?
 

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We can pray to God and Johan, but PI already made it clear they have no intentions to make Rome 2 for foreseeable future :(
Maybe they're actually making Ancient Greece 1. *insert trollface from paradox*
 

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I don't think PDX said they have no intention, just that they had no intention whilst EUIV was still in development.

You can't name something 'Project Nero' and then not have it be Rome. That'd just be mean.
 

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We can pray to God and Johan, but PI already made it clear they have no intentions to make Rome 2 for foreseeable future :(
Of course, they might have changed their opinion but I am not optimistic... maybe a few more years?
They didn't say ever, just wasn't soon. But an announcement could be for two years from now. So, who knows. Besides, it could also be something that encompasses the time period but is far more than that, and therefore is not a remake of Rome.
 

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It could be a Barbarian invasions game, hence the name Nero (Rome burning).
 

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They didn't say ever, just wasn't soon. But an announcement could be for two years from now. So, who knows. Besides, it could also be something that encompasses the time period but is far more than that, and therefore is not a remake of Rome.
Neither did I say 'eve'r ^^; Foreseeable future means near future.
Their latest declaration that they won't make Rome 2 happened not long ago (after EU4 was released) so I doubt either of the two new games are Rome 2.
 

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I shall bring forth the goat and sacrifice it, for his holiness Johan Andersson
... mmm, put me in the "just hoping and wishing" camp although it is abundantly clear to me, an owner of the five actually historical grand strategy games, that Rome is clearly the one that needs a sequel most desperately.
 

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We can pray to God and Johan, but PI already made it clear they have no intentions to make Rome 2 for foreseeable future :(
Of course, they might have changed their opinion but I am not optimistic... maybe a few more years?
Actually, they didn't make it "clear", not exactly. Making something like that clear would be to announce it during a stockholders meeting and having it made clear to the press in no ambiguous manner. Instead what we have is a post by Shams (Who I understand is a PI employee) saying, in a non-binding manner, that Rome 2 was a no-go in the foreseeable future and a follow-up stream explaining why (bottom line: he doesn't believe it can be sucessful, if not absolutely then in terms of cost of opportunity). Now, first and foremost, do note PDS/PI has shown itself to be very democratic in what game gets done (see VicII) so even if Shams and others don't believe in the project, all it takes is a majority within the voting group for the game to get made, also note that on that same thread Johan also came on, seemingly throwing some cold water in the burn by noting that "Shams is young and has a small view of "foreseeable future", maybe (or maybe not) hinting that the matter is not so one sided at the office.

Also note that Shams reasoning, while fully valid, rest squarely on market analysis and product expectations, which can be adjusted over time. It's entirely possible that at time of that post Shams was speaking with a certain analysis in hand, but further analysis suggested the previous held belief that Rome 2 might not be a successful product to the company could actually be wrong. At that point, any company would go back on its previous statements, specially the ones on a forum.

Finally, even Shams himself sorta left an open door for Rome 2, mentioning he could picture it going the Kickstarter route. Now while I dont believe they'll actually do a kickstarter out of it, it still goes to show that the matter isn't as set in stone as one might assume.

All and all, I sure as heck don't know if this is indeed Rome II or an obvious trolling attempt (btw, how exactly cant Shams be trolling the community by saying no Rome II and then announcing Rome II, but PI can troll the community by using a project name that obviously references a Rome game? Either trolling is allowed or it's not), but it's wrong to say Rome II is not gonna happen and that's that. You'd be surprised how often companies say no to a product only to latter receive better market data that dispels previous held beliefs that then makes them go back on their word. Of course you never hear about it save decades later in biography books and movies, since you only ever hear a project even exists when it's already announced, but the difference is that PDS actively talks to the community and keeps people on the loop and, while that's great, some misinformation can sometimes happen.

So TL;DR: Just remember Crusader Kings I wasn't exactly the most successful game ever :)

Now why are you looking at me like that? The thread said speculate, I speculate! :ninja:
 

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Actually, they didn't make it "clear", not exactly. Making something like that clear would be to announce it during a stockholders meeting and having it made clear to the press in no ambiguous manner. Instead what we have is a post by Shams (Who I understand is a PI employee) saying, in a non-binding manner, that Rome 2 was a no-go in the foreseeable future and a follow-up stream explaining why (bottom line: he doesn't believe it can be sucessful, if not absolutely then in terms of cost of opportunity). Now, first and foremost, do note PDS/PI has shown itself to be very democratic in what game gets done (see VicII) so even if Shams and others don't believe in the project, all it takes is a majority within the voting group for the game to get made, also note that on that same thread Johan also came on, seemingly throwing some cold water in the burn by noting that "Shams is young and has a small view of "foreseeable future", maybe (or maybe not) hinting that the matter is not so one sided at the office.

Also note that Shams reasoning, while fully valid, rest squarely on market analysis and product expectations, which can be adjusted over time. It's entirely possible that at time of that post Shams was speaking with a certain analysis in hand, but further analysis suggested the previous held belief that Rome 2 might not be a successful product to the company could actually be wrong. At that point, any company would go back on its previous statements, specially the ones on a forum.

Finally, even Shams himself sorta left an open door for Rome 2, mentioning he could picture it going the Kickstarter route. Now while I dont believe they'll actually do a kickstarter out of it, it still goes to show that the matter isn't as set in stone as one might assume.

All and all, I sure as heck don't know if this is indeed Rome II or an obvious trolling attempt (btw, how exactly cant Shams be trolling the community by saying no Rome II and then announcing Rome II, but PI can troll the community by using a project name that obviously references a Rome game? Either trolling is allowed or it's not), but it's wrong to say Rome II is not gonna happen and that's that. You'd be surprised how often companies say no to a product only to latter receive better market data that dispels previous held beliefs that then makes them go back on their word. Of course you never hear about it save decades later in biography books and movies, since you only ever hear a project even exists when it's already announced, but the difference is that PDS actively talks to the community and keeps people on the loop and, while that's great, some misinformation can sometimes happen.

So TL;DR: Just remember Crusader Kings I wasn't exactly the most successful game ever :)

Now why are you looking at me like that? The thread said speculate, I speculate! :ninja:
Yes, Shams seemed to be trying to stir up the pot a little to see if people really had an interest. I hated the Kickstarter reference, as Paradox is no startup needing that kind of cash injection to start a game, but I saw the reasoning. Obviously they want to put their money where they can get a return. That said, I wonder if perhaps they might wish for a later start so as to connect with Crusader Kings, like they have with the Crusader kings and EU via converter, which obviously is another way to add revenue. Perhaps 2nd cent Empire through dark ages, lots of possible intrigue, invasions, etc. But what do I know, they can do whatever they want, and more likely than not, I will do what I have always done: buy it.
 

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I don't think PDX said they have no intention, just that they had no intention whilst EUIV was still in development.

You can't name something 'Project Nero' and then not have it be Rome. That'd just be mean.
Nero was mean.
 

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Neither did I say 'eve'r ^^; Foreseeable future means near future.
Their latest declaration that they won't make Rome 2 happened not long ago (after EU4 was released) so I doubt either of the two new games are Rome 2.
Ha, developers are consistent about misinformation to keep players on edge till official announcements are made. Unofficial declarations are typically false herrings.
 
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