kingofparade's vote was highly illegal and I demand a recount.
That's it. Starting a rally for Feudalism. Anarchism no longer has a hope.
That's it. Starting a rally for Feudalism. Anarchism no longer has a hope.
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Stupid Proletarians, maybe we should have funded Education a little more?
Also, aren't the UC only supporting a Censored Press at this stage?
Also, aren't the UC only supporting a Censored Press at this stage?
I cannot speak for the German Socialists as a whole but I give my support to the new central committee, further infighting will not get our workers' republic anywhere
I do however hope to see an inclusive style of government which includes positions for and recognises the views of the breadth of the political spectrum within the party.
You are 50 minutes too late.
I do however hope to see an inclusive style of government which includes positions for and recognises the views of the breadth of the political spectrum within the party.
You are 50 minutes too late.
kingofparade's vote was highly illegal and I demand a recount.
That's it. Starting a rally for Feudalism. Anarchism no longer has a hope.
I thought unregistered users were unable get into the AAR forums? If so, then a newly registered user voting is definitely interesting.
I demand a recount!!!! I'm sure we can find this .08 % and "convince" them to change their mind lol
Victory for peace!
I mean yes, there was a small margin of victory, but with the German Socialist vote a clear majority was voting against extremism and for small-c cooperation, so I think we do have a mandate.
I mean yes, there was a small margin of victory, but with the German Socialist vote a clear majority was voting against extremism and for small-c cooperation, so I think we do have a mandate.
Victory for peace!
I mean yes, there was a small margin of victory, but with the German Socialist vote a clear majority was voting against extremism and for small-c cooperation, so I think we do have a mandate.
You are incorrect sir. 53.68% of the electorate voted for extremism and war. And Not a single party got a third of the vote. No one has a mandate. The VSVR is more divided than ever.
Its not terribly uncommon for people to use their first comments on big hitting AARs and with something that encourages interaction like this I'm not suprised that one or two people have signed up to post their vote. I'm not very suspicious. You can in fact view the AAR forum without an account and I know quite a few people read AARs without accounts.
I won't be doing a recount. I have confidence in my adding up and if I'm honest I really can't be bothered to re-read ten pages looking for almost 60 votes. You'll have to trust me.
This situation of course creates a whole new array of exiciting possibilities for the immediate future of the AAR. As a knock on effect of this it might be a couple of week before the next vote as I doubt I can get things ready for a vote by Sunday.
I won't be doing a recount. I have confidence in my adding up and if I'm honest I really can't be bothered to re-read ten pages looking for almost 60 votes. You'll have to trust me.
This situation of course creates a whole new array of exiciting possibilities for the immediate future of the AAR. As a knock on effect of this it might be a couple of week before the next vote as I doubt I can get things ready for a vote by Sunday.
Ah, my apologies, as I am a Maths student I am no good at basic arithmetic.
Still, I am sure that not everyone who voted Anarchist or Marxist actually wanted a civil war, they were merely swept up in "the other side eats babies" rhetoric. We'll see if the UC government can do more to ease tensions and make our nation a more united one. Given that your main goal, that of a free press, will now be achieved, can you not see the benefits of moderation?
EDIT: And at least the majority of the Party itself are in favour of moderation (at 51.72%) and against civil war.
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Ah, my apologies, as I am a Maths student I am no good at basic arithmetic.
Still, I am sure that not everyone who voted Anarchist or Marxist actually wanted a civil war, they were merely swept up in "the other side eats babies" rhetoric. We'll see if the UC government can do more to ease tensions and make our nation a more united one. Given that your main goal, that of a free press, will now be achieved, can you not see the benefits of moderation?
EDIT: And at least the majority of the Party itself are in favour of moderation (at 51.72%) and against civil war.
There are more workers than party members.
This vote was an obvious mandate to:
Declare War on Prussia (71.145%)
Maximum spending on reforms (71.145%)
Slow the reforms (57.85%)
Lower taxes (57.85%)
Allow a free press (57.85%)
Kill kittens (53.68%)
Declare War on Prussia (71.145%)
Maximum spending on reforms (71.145%)
Slow the reforms (57.85%)
Lower taxes (57.85%)
Allow a free press (57.85%)
Kill kittens (53.68%)
The Election of 1865
Never before had the VSVR entered into an election campaign in such a feverish atmosphere of hatred and fear. In recent months events in the Republic had spiralled out of control and both the Marxists and Anarchists were desperate to taste the blood of their counterrevolutionary counterparts. Many feared that moderation was by this stage already dead alongside the terminally weak German Socialist faction however this assumption was wrong. With just weeks before the election Engels of the Marxists, Necazian of the Anarchists and the much respected independent Liebknecht joined together to form the United Cooperationists. This late development totally transformed the political landscape just in time for the 1865 election.
The first round of voting represented half of the entire process. The People’s Party would contribute 50% of the election and the workers themselves the other 50%.
Within the party the new force that was the UC secured a tightly contested victory. Although they had the smallest portion of the vote ever secured by a winning faction (they would have come 3rd with the same percentage in the previous election). Whilst it is easy to argue that the swing of support away from the traditionally large factions (the Marxists and Anarchists) towards the moderates (the UC and the German Socialists) within the party was powered by the demand for peace many still point to the fact that around ½ the Party voted for civil war as a reason that compromise would be impossible. Even if a narrow majority of the People’s Party was united in a desire for peace how could they possibly hold on to the other half that wanted war?
The results of the new facet of VSVR elections, the Workers’ Vote, were even more intriguing than the result of the People’s Party’s vote. The Anarchists, a faction traditionally lacking in mass support, narrowly overcame the Marxists to become the single most popular faction with the proletariat. The Marxists on the other hand saw a dismal showing in a reform that they had pushed through, believing that they would forever retain their popular lead over their opponents. Sadly for the United Cooperationists the speed at which they formed meant they were still rather obscure to the majority of the populace, it was only through their tireless campaigning that they secured such a large portion of the vote. Finally the German Socialists were remarkable only in the fact that they secured almost identical scores in both the party and Workers’ votes.
The reasons for the swing towards the Anarchists and away from the Marxists with the workers are numerous. Firstly the withdrawal of Karl Marx from the Central Committee robbed the Marxist faction of its iconic symbol and greatest asset. Marx was the more respected and trusted figure in the entire Republic and he was sorely missed as his faction scored disappointingly with both workers and party members. The ridicule of the pro-Marxist state paper and the rise in popularity of the unashamedly pro-Anarchist and anti-Marxist Anarchist Zeal almost contributed a great deal towards the shift. Whilst Blanqui did have a wide base of support he was a figure that greatly alienated a large section of the Marxist electorate, the majority of these voters rushed towards Engels’ UC. This created a strange situation where the UC had a largely Marxist base of support but a much more mixed leadership with the majority of its support within the party itself coming from ex-Anarchists. There may also have been a general desire for change after 10 years of Marxist rule and one cannot ever ignore the looming threat of civil war that was the single most important issue in this election.
The final result saw the United Cooperationists secure victory by 0.08%. A ludicrously fine margin. By the laws of the Republic Friedrich Engels was now the 3rd Chairman of the United Socialist People’s Republic. Yet things would not be so simple for Engels and the UC.
The UC might have secured political victory but all the power rested in the hands of the Marxists and Anarchists. And neither was happy to give up.
On January 8th, the morning after the result was made public the Anarchist Zeal opened with the headline ‘’Anarchist Victory!’’ the paper made accusation of electoral fraud and refused to recognise the result. Meanwhile Engels requested the other faction’s leaderships to admit defeat in order to avoid any unpleasantries. Lassalle was quick to throw his support behind Engels in public yet in private he warned him that the German Socialists would not fight to protect the UC government. From both the Marxists and the Anarchists Engels was responded to with silence.
The for the two radical factions was that would have been happy to go to war to depose the other if they had won neither was willing to openly attack a neutral government. Instead for the Marxist-Centralists the primary issue was not seizing power but preventing the Anarchists from doing so. Having secured a significantly larger slice of support from the workers than the UC and losing by just 0.08% the Anarchists had the right to be aggrieved that it was Engels and not Bakunin who was preparing for his inauguration as Chairman and subtle movements were made towards the mobilisation of the Anarchist militia ...
Never before had the VSVR entered into an election campaign in such a feverish atmosphere of hatred and fear. In recent months events in the Republic had spiralled out of control and both the Marxists and Anarchists were desperate to taste the blood of their counterrevolutionary counterparts. Many feared that moderation was by this stage already dead alongside the terminally weak German Socialist faction however this assumption was wrong. With just weeks before the election Engels of the Marxists, Necazian of the Anarchists and the much respected independent Liebknecht joined together to form the United Cooperationists. This late development totally transformed the political landscape just in time for the 1865 election.
The first round of voting represented half of the entire process. The People’s Party would contribute 50% of the election and the workers themselves the other 50%.
Within the party the new force that was the UC secured a tightly contested victory. Although they had the smallest portion of the vote ever secured by a winning faction (they would have come 3rd with the same percentage in the previous election). Whilst it is easy to argue that the swing of support away from the traditionally large factions (the Marxists and Anarchists) towards the moderates (the UC and the German Socialists) within the party was powered by the demand for peace many still point to the fact that around ½ the Party voted for civil war as a reason that compromise would be impossible. Even if a narrow majority of the People’s Party was united in a desire for peace how could they possibly hold on to the other half that wanted war?
The results of the new facet of VSVR elections, the Workers’ Vote, were even more intriguing than the result of the People’s Party’s vote. The Anarchists, a faction traditionally lacking in mass support, narrowly overcame the Marxists to become the single most popular faction with the proletariat. The Marxists on the other hand saw a dismal showing in a reform that they had pushed through, believing that they would forever retain their popular lead over their opponents. Sadly for the United Cooperationists the speed at which they formed meant they were still rather obscure to the majority of the populace, it was only through their tireless campaigning that they secured such a large portion of the vote. Finally the German Socialists were remarkable only in the fact that they secured almost identical scores in both the party and Workers’ votes.
The reasons for the swing towards the Anarchists and away from the Marxists with the workers are numerous. Firstly the withdrawal of Karl Marx from the Central Committee robbed the Marxist faction of its iconic symbol and greatest asset. Marx was the more respected and trusted figure in the entire Republic and he was sorely missed as his faction scored disappointingly with both workers and party members. The ridicule of the pro-Marxist state paper and the rise in popularity of the unashamedly pro-Anarchist and anti-Marxist Anarchist Zeal almost contributed a great deal towards the shift. Whilst Blanqui did have a wide base of support he was a figure that greatly alienated a large section of the Marxist electorate, the majority of these voters rushed towards Engels’ UC. This created a strange situation where the UC had a largely Marxist base of support but a much more mixed leadership with the majority of its support within the party itself coming from ex-Anarchists. There may also have been a general desire for change after 10 years of Marxist rule and one cannot ever ignore the looming threat of civil war that was the single most important issue in this election.
The final result saw the United Cooperationists secure victory by 0.08%. A ludicrously fine margin. By the laws of the Republic Friedrich Engels was now the 3rd Chairman of the United Socialist People’s Republic. Yet things would not be so simple for Engels and the UC.
The UC might have secured political victory but all the power rested in the hands of the Marxists and Anarchists. And neither was happy to give up.
On January 8th, the morning after the result was made public the Anarchist Zeal opened with the headline ‘’Anarchist Victory!’’ the paper made accusation of electoral fraud and refused to recognise the result. Meanwhile Engels requested the other faction’s leaderships to admit defeat in order to avoid any unpleasantries. Lassalle was quick to throw his support behind Engels in public yet in private he warned him that the German Socialists would not fight to protect the UC government. From both the Marxists and the Anarchists Engels was responded to with silence.
The for the two radical factions was that would have been happy to go to war to depose the other if they had won neither was willing to openly attack a neutral government. Instead for the Marxist-Centralists the primary issue was not seizing power but preventing the Anarchists from doing so. Having secured a significantly larger slice of support from the workers than the UC and losing by just 0.08% the Anarchists had the right to be aggrieved that it was Engels and not Bakunin who was preparing for his inauguration as Chairman and subtle movements were made towards the mobilisation of the Anarchist militia ...
Krieg!
It seems once again it's up to Blanqui to save the republic again, I can't imagine the UC taking up arms against the Anarchist mob.
It seems once again it's up to Blanqui to save the republic again, I can't imagine the UC taking up arms against the Anarchist mob.
If the anarchists don't respect this vote, I'll thoroguhly regret that I didn't vote for the Marxist-Centralists. I only wish that there was a way to deal with the unlawful anarchists without corrupting the democratic nature of the Republic.
Before you say that Raph...
Tommy, Had the vote been the other way around (narrow GS victory over the Alliance) would you have had Blanqui and his troops rising up against the German Socialists?
We have a mandate! Only 30% of the workers want a rule by either of the extremist factions while 40% supported a moderate chairman! Any extremists who try to overturn the republic will be going against the 70% of the population that does not support their views.
It is time to come together as a people and realize that we must not let petty factionalism tear us apart but must stand together against the imperialists!
It is time to come together as a people and realize that we must not let petty factionalism tear us apart but must stand together against the imperialists!
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