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I'd like to know how this proposed constitution of the VSVR and the proposed constitution of the Comintern will be drafted? I'm in favour of a consitution, but I don't want one written by only the anarchists. If we are to make a constitution, it should be a collaborative effort of the entire party, put to vote among the peoples of the socialist world. Tommy, can you enlighten us as to how you're going to do it if one of the constitutionalist factions win the elections?
 
keynes2.0 said:
I repeat the question. How many of them have left 15 million dead?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_bloodiest_wars_in_history

According to Wikipedia a few wars in China (although numbers for Chinese battles and wars are notorius for their lack of accuracy) and the conquests of the Mongols and Timur - but those were really a series of wars.

So in Europe for sure this is the bloodiest. Seems more than twice as bloody as all the Napoleonic Wars.
 
National Communists

It is time to give freedom to those who desire it. Let the people of all races rule themselves. Let us end the crusade of Trotsky end here. We have seen that the people are more then capable of bringing a communist government for themselves. We have seen this countless times. It is not the responsibility or the right of the Red Army to enforce it upon others.
 
Democratic Anarchists get my vote.

Allthough i dont think they are exactly anarchists a constitution is vital. And their other policies make sense.

Any Anarcho-Kadonist supporters should think hard before voting, it looks unlikely that they will win and maybe tactical voting is in order? Surely anything that limits Trotsky's schemes for absoulte power is worth it?

Any man who still belevies in the ideals that the VSVR was founded on should give their votes to the Deocratic Anarchists.
 
Anarcho-Kadonists

The wooden wall should, at this point, be sufficient to hold off foreign enemies.
The VSVR are economically unmatched. Neither Britain nor China nor any american Nation will be able to put it under pressure.
Without any threats, is there any reason to stave off the ultimate goal?
 
Aicendur said:
Anarcho-Kadonists

The wooden wall should, at this point, be sufficient to hold off foreign enemies.
The VSVR are economically unmatched. Neither Britain nor China nor any american Nation will be able to put it under pressure.
Without any threats, is there any reason to stave off the ultimate goal?
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Allthough I sypathise with the cause of the Anarcho-Kadonists I think you need to be realistic. We are not ready to stat removing the goverment, a constitution is a sensible step to take towards this goal though. No matter how dedicated most of our citizens are there are some who would seek to undo our work. While the Kadonist's goal is adimrable it is too much and too soon. Also I can see why many anarchists would gravitate towards the rather than the DAs but the immideate aim should be to stop Trotsky regaining power and to put in measures that would limit someone who tryed to imitate his endevours. We need to unite! Not divide our selves over what are (in comparison to the M-Ls) petty diffrences. A vote for the DMs makes your future goal still attainable. Even one more term of the M-Ls could be enough to put it beyond our reach for ever. One day the goverment machien will be abolished, even if we do not live to see it we will be remebered as the ones who made it possible, the people who saved the VSVR, the people who stopped the monster that is Trotsky. United we stand and divided we will fall.
 
Tommy4ever said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_bloodiest_wars_in_history

According to Wikipedia a few wars in China (although numbers for Chinese battles and wars are notorius for their lack of accuracy) and the conquests of the Mongols and Timur - but those were really a series of wars.

So in Europe for sure this is the bloodiest. Seems more than twice as bloody as all the Napoleonic Wars.
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[spin mode]As an enlightened European, I know absolutely nothing about these ancient Chinese myths that you speak of. They seem rather absurd. They would imply that China had a larger population then Europe![/spin mode]

[alt spin mode]And besides, these myths just proves my point further. Uniting the world behind one banner doesn't end conflict! It just worsens it! The fact that the Marxists just had a crackdown on the True Germans and a crackdown on the Anarchists before that goes to show that we need to be reducing the danger of another fraternal war, not increasing it![/alt spin mode]

[Wikipedia Mode]Accuracy of the Chinese sources aside, there seems to be some confusion regarding the An Lushan Rebellion. It is listed as having 33-36 million deaths when actually what is being reported is a decline of census reporting by 33-36 million. I don't think it's exactly a stretch to say that the vast majority of that decline is because that a civil war and a huge decentralization of power coupled with a loss of effective control over the border regions meant that there was a skyrocketting amount of tax fraud via people disappearing form the census.

The Qing conquest I'm more inclined to take at face value but only because it's discussing a 46 year long process, not a single war in the sense of Trotsky's Great War. 46 years of realm duress as it were is a lot more deadly then any war.[/Wikipedia Mode]
 
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I'm doing the assembly right now. Can anyone think what might have caused a massive upsurge in the POPs interest in military policy?

It had been declining in importance slowly since 1850 as I got more cores. But here the top 4 issues are jinogism, pro and anti mil and pacifism.:confused:

Together they account for about 65% of all POPs' issues. Wierd. :wacko:
 
Tommy4ever said:
I'm doing the assembly right now. Can anyone think what might have caused a massive upsurge in the POPs interest in military policy?

It had been declining in importance slowly since 1850 as I got more cores. But here the top 4 issues are jinogism, pro and anti mil and pacifism.:confused:

Together they account for about 65% of all POPs' issues. Wierd. :wacko:
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That's scarily close to how it would be in reality. So...bravo Paradox? :s

@Keynes, I was referring to the sum total, obviously no single war has been that bloody.
 
Tommy4ever said:
I'm doing the assembly right now. Can anyone think what might have caused a massive upsurge in the POPs interest in military policy?

It had been declining in importance slowly since 1850 as I got more cores. But here the top 4 issues are jinogism, pro and anti mil and pacifism.:confused:

Together they account for about 65% of all POPs' issues. Wierd. :wacko:
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Well, we did just had a massive, rather succesful war. I'm not sure if such principles apply in V2, but in real life that's generally going to get people rallied around such war-related feelings.
 
Tommy4ever said:
I'm doing the assembly right now. Can anyone think what might have caused a massive upsurge in the POPs interest in military policy?

It had been declining in importance slowly since 1850 as I got more cores. But here the top 4 issues are jinogism, pro and anti mil and pacifism.:confused:

Together they account for about 65% of all POPs' issues. Wierd. :wacko:
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I suppose with such losses during the great war it would divide public opinion. Just like whats going on with us. There is next to no talk of anything other then, omg 15 million dead, it's the apocalypse.:)
 
Marxist-Leninists

Now lenin is gone can you rename the M-L's to Marxist-Trotskyists? :D
 
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