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How will the hung assembly affect the coalition? Will the majority be able to block anarchist excesses?

Also, I'm hoping that the Independents will at least get the democratic press reform through, that's the reason I voted for them, a final, democratic and anti-capitalist solution to the issue of the press.
 

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Well, we can still attempt to craft a constitution?
Not everyone can be against one.
Not yet Comrade.

Congrats on making the 2000th post in this AAR. :D

How will the hung assembly affect the coalition? Will the majority be able to block anarchist excesses?

Also, I'm hoping that the Independents will at least get the democratic press reform through, that's the reason I voted for them, a final, democratic and anti-capitalist solution to the issue of the press.
The hung assembly leaves the coalition in a constitutional pickle (if we had a constitution). Lenin had already started to move power from the Politburo towards the Assembly and you'd be naive to think he wouldn't use the Assembly to try and disrupt the coalition. But theoretically it shouldn't make too much difference - in reality it will.

As for the press. You'd think that the 'democratic' press would be one of the first things that the Independents would compromise on. Afterall they have bigger fish to fry - namely Trade Union power and a more agressive foriegn policy - than trying to bring in a slightly different and awefully wacky press reform. You'd imagine they'd be happy with free press and would use this point of compromise for leverage on more vital issues in their interest.
 

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What about extending the franchise to the farmers and petty bourgeois? If the Anarchists can talk even a few independents into it while getting a few to acquiesce, then they could hope to get Militarist and Moderate votes to pass it (surprisingly enough). This is an important issue with at the very least a diverse bed of support. It would also likely stir up politics in surprising ways come the next election.
 

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What about extending the franchise to the farmers and petty bourgeois? If the Anarchists can talk even a few independents into it while getting a few to acquiesce, then they could hope to get Militarist and Moderate votes to pass it (surprisingly enough). This is an important issue with at the very least a diverse bed of support. It would also likely stir up politics in surprising ways come the next election.
Hear, hear!
 

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Let every man be equal and free to vote.
And women also.

No to party vanguardism!
 

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Afterall they have bigger fish to fry - namely Trade Union power and a more agressive foriegn policy - than trying to bring in a slightly different and awefully wacky press reform. You'd imagine they'd be happy with free press and would use this point of compromise for leverage on more vital issues in their interest.
The trade union power thing is what I dislike the most about them, and I didn't interpret their platform as giving it that much weight either :( The foreign policy is good though.
 

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I can't say I didn't warn the Marxist-Leninists this would happen.
I view it as fortunate that the current coalition does not control a majority in the assembly, especially with the rather outspoken Anarchists leading that coalition.
This should bring some of their rather fringe and polarising views back down to earth and mean compromise will be the key to forging policy.
I will be watching to see what this central commitee does intently, and hope the assembly can vote on any proposals based on their merits rather than factionism.
However, if the Anarchists plan any aggressively regressive plans for the economy, I expect to see the majority of the assembly, who are in favour of economic progressiveism, to vote such proposals down.

I am worried to a degree by the hurried calls for some within the committee for a constitution to be drafted. Although I cautiously agree that a constitution would be in the best interests of the Republic (and the irony is not lost on me that something which would further cement the state is being pushed by Anarchist-leaning politicians), it should only be implemented after a drawn out multipartisan and public consultation rather than risk being seen as a partisan agenda to benefit of a certain faction of the party.
 

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What about extending the franchise to the farmers and petty bourgeois? If the Anarchists can talk even a few independents into it while getting a few to acquiesce, then they could hope to get Militarist and Moderate votes to pass it (surprisingly enough). This is an important issue with at the very least a diverse bed of support. It would also likely stir up politics in surprising ways come the next election.
A cause we can all rally behind!
 

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How will the hung assembly affect the coalition? Will the majority be able to block anarchist excesses?

Also, I'm hoping that the Independents will at least get the democratic press reform through, that's the reason I voted for them, a final, democratic and anti-capitalist solution to the issue of the press.
The only anti-capitalist solution to the issue of press is a state-controlled press. Even a censored press allows the Capitalists' marks to move minds away from the revolution. Unequivocal Freedom of the Press is the quickest path to the VSVR's damnation. Why must the Anarchists encourage petty arguing amongst the workers and support the anti-revolutionary press? Comrade Lenin has already compromised with a censored press. Please Independents, do not let the Anarchists ruin our great state! The revolution is not ended, the state has not been dissolved. Clear metrics exist for when we are able to break the state's control.

Yet the Anarchists would have us weaken our borders and open up the revolution to scrutiny when the Monarchists and Bourgeois states still threaten both the VSVR and workers internationally! Why are we giving up the fight? Why are we leaving workers in Moscow, Calcutta, Lyon, and Eindhoven to toil against their own good? Maybe they organize along their own lines, maybe they join the great multi-ethnic state that is the VSVR. Let us deal with that cheerful victory when it comes. Lenin has not forgotten the fight; he has not forgotten the workers, domestic and international.

Nay good comrades, we must challenge the Anarchists! When approached by an Anarchist about Freedom of the Press, please respond that you have more important matters than to question the revolution. When approached about military affairs, remind your comrades about the hardships of our forefathers and how workers international need our help to break the bonds of servitude. When approached about the suffrage of the farmers, ask your fellows to find those farmers who understand the revolution, who took part in it's founding, and who would die for it's continued existence. Start there, and build the revolution within the farmers, or else we will never faithfully and effectively integrate our simpler, though highly regarded providers of nourishment and guardians of the land.

Fellow Comrades! Heed the words of Lenin, for it is the Marxist lineage that will safeguard the nation against the Anarchists. I too worry about the affairs of the VSVR over the next 5 years, but we must be strong and weather the storm! The revolution shall not be broken by the misguided ideals of the Anarchists. The right-minded Free Workers of the World will keep the revolution alive!
 

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The farmers are the proletariat of the countryside and should be involved in our revolution! The core of the revolution should be moved to the countryside where free agricultural communes should be established. The Leninists say only Industrial Workers can be Socialists, and the rest of the Proletariat should be under their thumb, like they were under the thumb of the Capitalists and Aristocrats. The Anarchist say the revolution must spread to the whole Proletariat!!! Long Live the Revolution!! Long Live Anarchism!!
 

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If the people's were to move away from the Revolution only by some capitalist press releases, then truly there is something wrong with our revolution.
 

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The independents were complete fools to enter into a junior partnership with the anarchists. The independents could have simply secured the support of the moderates, who they had much agreement with in order to have a coalition larger then the anarchists. Then it would have been up to the anarchists to chose between having an independent or a marxist lead the revolution and it would have been no surprise when they supported an independent.

Thanks to this abomination of a "coalition" which appears to be nothing more then a surrender to the anarchists, we face the unraveling of the very bedrock of our state, the sacred unions. These anarchist say we need communes, but what is a commune except for a weakened union? Unlike a union, a commune will not have the stable membership or the efficiency to deliver the same efficiency! If the anarchists really want communes, let them make their own damn communes and get their hands off our unions!

The unions have been the bedrock upon which this republic has been built and I say if the anarchists destroy them then we should destroy the anarchists!

Vive Unionisme!
 

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So we've gone from a Russian tyrant to a Russian Prince..... How far we've come... :p

On a more serious note, although I am disappointed in the Independents for enabling the Anarchists, I hope they will focus on forcing the Anarchists to adopt a more aggressive foreign policy and toning down some of their more ridiculous ideas.
 

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So we've gone from a Russian tyrant to a Russian Prince..... How far we've come... :p

On a more serious note, although I am disappointed in the Independents for enabling the Anarchists, I hope they will focus on forcing the Anarchists to adopt a more aggressive foreign policy and toning down some of their more ridiculous ideas.
What do you mean with ridiculous ideas?
Only a counterrevolutionary would claim that anarchist values were ridiculous!
Aggressive? Our cause is righteous, we do not need wars to overcome the imperialistic forces of oppression. Tyrants will be crushed by the peoples once they see the light of the revolution. They might just need some support.
 

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What do you mean with ridiculous ideas?
A bunch of individually autonomous communes that will be instantaneously overrun by the armies of Russia, Austria, and France. I know this isn't part of the faction platform, but it still worries me.

There's no point in having arguments that have already been had, so please don't continue down the road towards a completely useless argument in which neither of us will change our minds. I don't mean this in a rude way, but rather in a "I'm sick of having arguments in this thread and want to simply enjoy the story," way.
 
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