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After a few starts and stops to learns the generally mechanics of the game I'd like to share my experience and ask a few questions. Footnotes for questions at the end.

I started a game as count in Ireland and fairly quickly became the King of Ireland and had some of Whales and Scotland was almost mine (Q1). Unfortunately I had married my heir to a Dutches with the thought in mind that his kids will just inherit that duchy. What I didn't know what that whole time of them popping out babies while he was just and heir and not the King all his kids were a part of her dynasty and not mine, so when the time came for him to become king he was already pretty old and he died before I could kill off his wife, who was too old to have more kids, and create a dynastic heir (Q2).

That put an end to my Irish game and I started a Hungarian duke who landed over the place where my Mom was born and raised in which I thought was kind of cool. I was doing pretty good and taking some lands to my east but some other dukes started a faction for me to become the King of Hungry, which I didn't want yet but they started the revolt without me anyway. They asked me to join in as an ally and I told them no, I was actually the King's marshal and fought against them on the field but when they failed their revolt I was thrown in jail and the King even threw me in the oubliette! I restarted my game just because I didn't know the game mechanics, lesson learned. (mechanics which by the way are really dumb and abusable) I normally never reload a save to get around something I didn't like because I like a little adversity. Anyway I just declared for myself and then fought enough for a white peace, no jail time and the King didn't hate me. This is when stuff really got crazy and caused me a lot of stress lol. The Pope declared a crusade for Greece! I joined right away, and I picked up a holy order because I never had done that before and I have tried to join crusades in the past and my pitiful armies just got creamed. This time though I was close to the crusade's target and I just wanted to do it just because. Even with my levies and the holy order I was pretty much a small fish in a big sea so I just followed the zerg. We won the crusade! Yay! They gave me Greece! Yay! .. I mean wait wtf? Why? (Q3) My demesne was like 105/10 and I was completely overwhelmed.

So started my attempted as being the King of Greece which was a complete failure. It took me well over and hour to give out land, cites and such. Once I had all my vassals in place and pressed play it was pure chaos. War after war, revolts and heritcs! Since my land was mostly Orthodox and Grecian and I was neither I had the joys of have only my Hungarian levies to defend with against the Muslims and their armies that are somehow always massive. I survived for a while mostly because most of Europe helped me fight them every time, I lost some land but not too much really. My plan was to have my heir's heir (too late for him) be educated by a Greek so I could at least have that on my side (Q4), while I slowly converted the land to Catholic. I didn't get around to that though because the King of Hungry decided to challenge me for the rights to Greece and all my Hungarian lands and no one wanted to help me against that and I was pretty broke when he did it. Still I feel like I have learned a lot and am looking forward to my next play through.


Q1: So my question is had I succeeded and also became the King of Scotland in addition to the King of Scotland would that have made me an emperor with one kingdom being inherited by a second son, for gavelkind?

Q2: Multiple questions here, even if I had gotten a second wife to give me a son in my dynasty would the older non-dynastic heirs still been in front of him? Second question here, if I would have given my son a landed titles would that have insured all his kids would have been of his dynasty and since she was a Dutches would he have to had a duchy or would have being a count been sufficient?

Q3: Questions and thoughts on this. Why was I granted Greece after the Crusade? I have a few ideas why but I have no idea if any of them are the reason. My proximity, I was pretty close to it on the map. I declared as soon I could for the Crusade, was I first or something, I doubt I had the most troops or the highest contribution to the Crusade. Before I Crusade I had been taking over Orthodox lands and converting them to Catholic, did this raise my reputation with the church?

Q4: I normally personally educate my heir and as many of sons as I can so I can make the choices for their traits. My question is, is this a bad idea if I have a low diplomacy? Is that doing more harm than good? Also I try to use my daughters education as a means to build up relations with other people instead of giving them to someone with high diplomacy because I am going to (or have) marry them out anyway. Is there a reason not to do that, am I hurting the future general gene pool of the lords and ladies?
 

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Q1: What? If you would have become King of Scotland, you would have two King Titles, Ireland and Scotland. When you have Gavelekind succession, after your death your second son would become an INDEPENDANT King of Scotland.
You can only become Emperor when you create/inherit/ursurp and empire title, Empire of Britannica in your case (Irland, Wales, Scotland, England). You need to control 80% of all of its de jure countys, check the empire mapmode.

Q2: Yes, the older non dynastic son would still be the heir. Being from a dynasty or not is not related to being landed. You agreed to marry matrinelly, probably by accident.

Q3: You had the highest contribution of all of the participants, so the pope has granted you the fish. The AI really lacks the ability to increase warscore properly. Not opinion related at all.

Q4: It depends on what you want. In general it is a good idea to educate your heir yourself, but you might want to get a different education and/or a potential tutor has better stats than yourself.
Your heir can end up with a bad trait that way, but with high stats you can educate your next heir yourself so he gets your prefered education, no bad traits and high stats.
I educate my daughters as possible tutors for future children, because i marry them only matrinelly and then land the husband. So my dynasty spreads faster :)
Seriously, who cares for other nobles!