Lend and lease italy

[geogus]

Hi

I got the idea for this post reading another one that pasted a link to a paper very interisting about italy blaming germany incompetence for wwii defeat.


One idea for a germany strategy i ve never seem discused, both in real life history, and in game is germany supporting italy.

I know germany had to rebuild and re-arm, but it would be feasible to germany to leand and lease to italy.

How effective would it be?

Could it effective to compemsate italy industrial deficience and make it stronger

 

[The Nothing]

In game if it's a human Italy asking Germany some lend lease, I think yes. Though.... Will Germany have enough spare tanks and planes and supplies to do so ? If we were in reality, with Germany seizing massiv amounts of material in France, which they didn't need, yes. But since it won't be in game.....

Anyway, for a human Italy you could do great things even with your small base IC. And I doubt giving better gears to an AI will make it more efficient. Even with lend lease, AI Italy can't defeat AI Royal Navy, and will not be able to build much more ships to have a hope of doing so.

As Germany I think it'll be more usefull to give some lend lease to Romania/Hungary, for operation Barbarossa, and perhaps send more troops in Lybia to capture Egypt and close the Suez channel.

 

[Mannstien]

In game if it's a human Italy asking Germany some lend lease, I think yes. Though.... Will Germany have enough spare tanks and planes and supplies to do so ? If we were in reality, with Germany seizing massiv amounts of material in France, which they didn't need, yes. But since it won't be in game.....

Actually, capturing equipment was added though the build that added into was Daniels SP Japan and Hungary streams so China didn't have any tanks to capture and I don't think the Czech's really had much of any tank divisions built yet when he attacked but I don't know if that means you can't capture them or if their were just none to capture. If you can capture tanks I would put the French tanks in service of the Reich and send my Pz 1 and Pz 2 to Italy lol.

Arrrggh, it keeps putting my reply in quotes lol

 

[Sparrow]

I really hope someone at PDS will read O'Hara and Cernuschi books before hobbling the Regia Marina. The tech levels for Italy in HoI games are always a bit too severe.

 

[1337Hospitaller]

Hi

I got the idea for this post reading another one that pasted a link to a paper very interisting about italy blaming germany incompetence for wwii defeat.


One idea for a germany strategy i ve never seem discused, both in real life history, and in game is germany supporting italy.

I know germany had to rebuild and re-arm, but it would be feasible to germany to leand and lease to italy.

How effective would it be?

Could it effective to compemsate italy industrial deficience and make it stronger

removed - Had a dad

 

[Sparrow]

mod edit

Is there a reason you keep repeating this inane line? Two very easy to purchase books in keeping with the naval theme.

In Passage Perilous: Malta and the Convoy Battles of June 1942
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13012533-in-passage-perilous
Struggle for the Middle Sea
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6285842-struggle-for-the-middle-sea

 

[Had a dad]

nationalistic trolling will earn you an auto infraction.

 

[Sparrow]

On a more positive note how about an event along the lines of "Bonfiglietti's Carriers are a go!" There where many studies of carriers in the 20s and 30s by the Regia Marina. A little love wouldn't hurt.

 

[Sun_Killer]

i think carriers are overrated in the med. The key for italy will be a strong airforce, 4 BS as ball busters and a lot of heavy cruisers and destroyers. My two cents, could be completly of the mark in game terms, but we will see.

 

[Mannstien]

i think carriers are overrated in the med. The key for italy will be a strong airforce, 4 BS as ball busters and a lot of heavy cruisers and destroyers. My two cents, could be completly of the mark in game terms, but we will see.

That's about my plan at first, if I can somehow rest control of the Med from the British/French than I'll think about CV's, though they might get a bit of research if I nothing else to go after from a research standpoint just to unlock them and the CV variants of the planes.

 

[Sparrow]

Everyone has different preferences and I make know assumptions on gameplay. I just state an alternative that could prove a boon to some players.

 

[Mannstien]

Everyone has different preferences and I make know assumptions on gameplay. I just state an alternative that could prove a boon to some players.

I was just thinking with my HOI3 brain, researching and building CV's in HOI4 probably won't be as big of a problem for Italy, supplying them with planes with your few precious Military factories is another thing. Perhaps if you follow a certain national focus path it will make them as viable as a BB navy.

 

[Sparrow]

Italy was viable as a battleship navy. After the raid on Alexandria and staggering capital ship losses across the board the British effectively only attempted to contest dominance of the central Med until the USN came into the picture. So in a game where one doesn't have to worry about communications with the RA or LooseWaffles, etc. yes the need for carriers weakens. I'm just also trying to point out that most of the design work tech tree information for carriers should be researched. So instead of being short battleships we should have them as well as an option to get carriers rolling early.

And just to add some reading that talks about Italy's capabilities that are usually ignored.

https://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment...Ultra--Signal-Intelligence-and-the-Battl.aspx

 

[Loke]

supplying them with planes with your few precious Military factories is another thing.

At the start of WWII in 1939 Italy had almost the same amount of fighters as France and Britain combined. So they should be able to produce enough aircraft even if they go for their historical Battleships.

This is a very interesting documentary about Italian warfighters in WWII.

 

[Secret Master]

I know that in my first game as Italy I will be pursuing either a BB-based navy with air support from land bases or a CA based navy with air support and a combat speed of 35 knots. Good luck fleeing combat with your Illustrious carriers with your CAGs destroyed and a top speed of only 30 knots.

 

[Mannstien]

I know that in my first game as Italy I will be pursuing either a BB-based navy with air support from land bases or a CA based navy with air support and a combat speed of 35 knots. Good luck fleeing combat with your Illustrious carriers with your CAGs destroyed and a top speed of only 30 knots.

Make sure you send their BB's to the bottom as well before you send your CA's in

 

[Wyrm]

Focusing on naval bombers and heavy cruisers as Italy could be an interesting strategy. Especially if you could somehow license-build tanks and fighters from Germany in order to bolster ground-forces and airsuperiority without having to research too much

Hm... maybe I should try that